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Nov 29th, 2008 at 8:00pm
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Does anyone know of a way to install a safety on a BSA 22 cal. Martini action? It may not be absolutely necessary to do this, but would make a safer hunting gun.  Bob
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2008 at 9:28pm
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IIRC, there's one shown in the NRA Gunsmithing Guide, Updated.  Essentially it involves putting a block on the bottom rear of the triggerguard for a push-through type safety, like is used on Remington shotguns, to block the trigger.  Same system Sportco used in Australia.

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Reply #2 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 5:33am
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Does anyone know of a way to install a safety on a BSA 22 cal. Martini action? It may not be absolutely necessary to do this, but would make a safer hunting gun.  Bob


I used a BSA Martini actioned model 12/15 .22" cal. rifle for vermin (varmint) shooting for about 10 years. There isn't any need for a safety with this rifle.

You drop a round into the chamber and leave the breechblock down. When you have a target to shoot at, then you close the breechblock and your ready to fire. All you have to remember to do is carry the rifle with the muzzle pointing downwards. 

Usually the tacky lube on the outside of the .22" lead bullet is enough to secure the cartridge in the chamber anyway, even with the breechblock in the open position.

The simpler things are, the more likely they are to work. No single shot rifle ever made, fired a round with the breechblock down and the chamber exposed, whether there was a live round in the chamber or not.

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Reply #3 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 11:18am
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I also don't see a need for a safety on a martini and I hunt with them.  But I also understand why some want them.  

several years ago I picked up this clunker Cadet for a project gun that has a sliding safety on it.  Here's what it looks like.

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I took the safety apart this morning for these pictures so it's the first time I have seen the insides.  It looks like it is missing a spring and ball, but you get the idea,
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 12:17pm
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Thanks for the pictures DoubleD.  That is the best looking configuration I've seen so far.  We have discussed this at some length in the past and I think the participants were in agreement that the Hal Hartley solution (pictured below), while certainly functional for its intended purpose, lacked some pancache (or maybe it has too much panache) Huh  The solution shown in your pictures really looks subtle and functional.  Now I need to find an extra MKI trigger assembly to try to build one of these.  Terry
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 2:38pm
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I found pictures of another safety on my old computer. 

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Reply #6 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 4:12pm
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Many thanks to all the suggestions re: Martini safety. The photos are very helpful. Again the ASSRA forum is the greatest for all kinds of info with quick responses.  Best,  Bob
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:33pm
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Something else you can do is to get your gunsmith if he knows how to do it, is to alter where the block comes to rest in the lowered position.
My latest BSA Martini is a model 10 and the loading lever is taken all the way down to load a round, in this case a 7mm Waters and then the pressure on the lever is released slightly and the block in the down position will come to rest so that the case will not fall out of the action. You can also put the case not all the way home and it still will not fall out if you want to carry the rifle like this.
I have only just picked this rifle up at the weekend from my gunsmith and have yet to fire it.
The stock is a more or less a copy of how Holland and Holland used to stock their rook rifles.
Twenty two inch octogon barrell and it weighs in at five and a half pounds. 
I am getting a bit old and wrinkly now so it should be a bit less tiring to carry when bush bashing for ten hours and never mind the re-coil.
Not sure if I know how to load more than one photo so might have to do another post.
Regards.
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Reply #8 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:35pm
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How do you put more than one photo on?
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 11:22pm
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Nice looking rifle and done by a Gunsmith who know how to adjust the Martini Action properly.   

Lucky you.
  

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Reply #10 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 3:09am
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Now that is a really classy stock!  It seems that both you and your 'smith have impeccable taste...   Might I ask who did the work?
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 4:06am
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Its the gunsmith that built the rifle who has all the good taste and knows what a rifle should look like and his name is John Hall who is a Kiwi but who lived and worked in South Africa as a gunsmith for about twenty or thirty years or maybe even more as he was in the S/A practical pistol team, for  the event that was held in Rhodesia in the seventies for the first world practical pistol shoot. I had a friend in England who went to this shoot and he did a video which he showed on a club night.  
I suppose you could say I have grown up now as these days I only shoot single shot rifles. I believe John also came out top one year in a world black powder rifle shoot in the USA. 
He's been back working in NZ for about seven years now
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Reply #12 - Dec 1st, 2008 at 8:18pm
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Nice to see one stocked for iron sights, very pretty.
  
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Reply #13 - Dec 21st, 2008 at 6:36pm
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Nero;

That is a beautiful martini.  I copied the picture, and have it as wallpaper on my computer for inspiration.

I have a few martinis in cartridges based upon the 30WCF cartridge, and really like them all.

Do you suppose that your stockmaker might export a stock to the States?

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Reply #14 - Dec 22nd, 2008 at 5:17pm
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Nero wrote on Dec 1st, 2008 at 4:06am:
Its the gunsmith that built the rifle who has all the good taste and knows what a rifle should look like and his name is John Hall who is a Kiwi but who lived and worked in South Africa as a gunsmith for about twenty or thirty years or maybe even more as he was in the S/A practical pistol team, for  the event that was held in Rhodesia in the seventies for the first world practical pistol shoot. I had a friend in England who went to this shoot and he did a video which he showed on a club night.  
I suppose you could say I have grown up now as these days I only shoot single shot rifles. I believe John also came out top one year in a world black powder rifle shoot in the USA. 
He's been back working in NZ for about seven years now


Hello NERO,

I've met your friend, indeed, I competed against him. I was on the British Team at the 1977 World Combat Pistol Championships held in Salisbury, Rhodesia. Now, 31 years later I have trouble recalling faces, but I remember the chap who made the video of the competition, he just failed to qualify himself as an entrant on the British Team.

It's very nice to see that Martini Rifle in a modern configuration. I've forgotten how many .45 Colt Automatics I've upgraded for competition Practical Pistol work myself, but all that finished here in the U/K in 1997 when handguns were banned. Now in my dotage, (read Old Age and Senility)  I'm restricted to making a copy of the Sharps Borchardt 1878 Rifle that I promised myself I would make some forty-five years ago.

Harry
  
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