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Shipping to California
Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:33pm
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I see that on GunBroker.com some sellers will not ship a rifle to California.
What is the reason for this?
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 9:48pm
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Good old California, where I live, has decided that Federal law saying all firearms must be shipped to a dealer in interstate exchange, is NOT GOOD ENOUGH..

Now, anyone desiring to ship a firearms INTO California must apply to the California DOJ (via a web page) for an "import permit", and all firearms must not only be shipped TO a dealer, but also must be shipped FROM a dealer.

So, many dealers, and non-dealer sellers, have said "screw that", and chosen to abandon residents of california.

I can't say I blame them, really... but it ticks me off because that's EXACTLY what our retarded legislators had in mind when they passed that law (very quietly.. .with no floor debate).
You want to piss off California legislators?  Keep right on jumping through their hoops, and shipping guns into the state...

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Re: Shipping to California
Reply #2 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 11:23pm
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While it's a little off topic from the shipping firearms issue,  but how can this be constitutional.  It's clearly a restraint of interstate trade.  It's no different than California (or any other state) demanding tax registration so that it can collect sales tax from any out of state business shipping mail order goods to that state.  Angry

  
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Reply #3 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:40am
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I am a resident of the people's socialist state of California also.
If you check the Justice department web site and really read what the new law states you will see that they at least exempted antique firearms and they were smart, they used the Federal guidlines and they even mention them. Any firearm made before 1898 is exempt. Some of our gun stores in this state were pushing for  registration on the antique guns, one fruit loop gun dealer here said that a criminal could use a black powder colt revolver to comit a crime . I replied well I prefer my Loiusville Slugger, try and run a ballistics test on it. 
Our little town is so sad that my son got stopped by our local PD and they wanted to know why the bat and glove in the car-duu- he was in his base ball uniform too. Guess they never played ball as kids.
It is a wierd experience living here and hell I was born here.
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Reply #4 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 9:14am
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Dealer to Dealer has become a proit item.  I just paid a hundred dollars in fees to ship a 500 dollar revolver 30 miles. Bought it just over the state line.

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Reply #5 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 10:19am
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If you read the DOJ's web, you'll see that you don't need A NUMBER TO ship to a FFL if you're not a dealer.All the dealers are trying to do is hog all the business, it was there Law, we were sold out by the NRA, who NEVER opposes anything a dealer wants. That's not the real reason why some dealers hate CA, they just hate CA on general priniples,however why not HATE NY< CT , And MASS>There gun laws are far worse than ours.I'd  never live there.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 11:07am
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singleshotman;

I HAVE read it... and the parts I read said that NO shipping of firearms into the state can be by NON-dealers, therefore; ALL shipments must be BY dealers, TO dealers, and therefore yes, they need "the number" from DOJ.

Furthermore; maybe SOME dealers did support this law. Not the ones I've dealt with locally. They hate it.  It also requires that anything THEY ship INSIDE california to another dealer must have a "number".


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Re: Shipping to California
Reply #7 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 6:58pm
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singleshotman,
In what way are the NY gun laws "far worse" than CA's?
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 7:43pm
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I understand that in NY you need the permission of the police chief or commissoner in NYC to buy a`handgun.In CA you fill out your forms, plunk down your money and wait 10 days.No bribes(relelecion contributions) need to be paid here,unless you want a CCW permit, then you better be a friend of the local police`chief.
  
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Re: Shipping to California
Reply #9 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 8:03pm
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You're talking about New York City, not New York State; a common misunderstanding.
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 9:09pm
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that law does not apply to c&r's. if the gun is over 50yrs old, just ship away to a c&r..

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Re: Shipping to California
Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 9:16pm
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Hi Boats,
I am a little confused about this, doe's this mean you cannot personally take a firearm into California if you bought it in another state.
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Reply #12 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 9:49pm
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I understand that in NY you need the permission of the police chief or commissoner in NYC to buy a`handgun.In CA you fill out your forms, plunk down your money and wait 10 days.No bribes(relelecion contributions) need to be paid here,unless you want a CCW permit, then you better be a friend of the local police`chief.



Unless you live in San Francisco, or some parts of the greater Los Angeles "sprawl", in which case it's not that different from New York... it's who you know in order to legally obtain a handgun.


Nero;

It's my understanding that there is still no law against bring in a personally purchased long gun into the state if you are a resident.  As long as you're bringing it personally, not shipping it.  Now, getting a dealer in many western states to SELL you a long gun if your ID says you're from California is another deal entirely.  A lot of dealers will just tell you "sorry... you're from California...".   

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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 10:08pm
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Hey, the dealers in Ca. are just as nutty as the legislature! I tried to purchase a 1889 Marlin from a Ca. dealer at the Reno gun show, and he said he couldn't sell it to anyone who wasn't an FFL holder! The last 1889 Marlin built was around 1894, and I told him so. He said he didn't care if it was an antique or modern, he still wouldn't sell to the general public.
So it's not just dealers from other states that are confused or stupid.
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Reply #14 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 10:26pm
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Marlinguy;

Oh, I don't doubt for a moment that there are confused and/or stupid dealers in every state of the union!
But you have me confused a bit...
Reno Gun Show... as in Reno NEVADA.. right?
That is exactly the answer ("Nope.. no way.. dont' matter what it is...") that California residents have gotten from dealers OUTSIDE of California... they don't care what it is, they're not going to sell it to a Californian.

I've met dealers that won't sell ANYTHING to ANY out-of-state buyer either... federal and state laws be darned.

There's confusion enough for everyone... it seems.

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