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Inexpensive starter standing rifle
Jul 20th, 2008 at 5:16pm
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Watched the match at Tusco a few weeks ago and find myself bitten by the bug.  I would like to build an inexpensive [but not cheap] standing rifle and would appreciate some input as to the following.
1... would it be prudent to use a Ruger or a Martini reciever and have it rebarrelled?  Don't want to go to the expense of a Winchester and find out the sport is not for me.
2..."best" chambering for the standing shooter.
3...prolly will not have the time to learn casting so bullets will have to be purchased.  Who is the best source
4...breech seater or fixed ammo.  I know that in standing I am the weak link and fixed ammo would outshoot me but the cross stick and benchrest diciplines appeal to me too.  Can one buid a rifle for all types of ASSRA shooting or is that not possible
I know this is a lot of questions but it is far cheaper to ask first than to build the wrong rifle and have to do it over or find that you have a non competitive rifle.  Regards... Gary
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 5:58pm
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I'm not as experienced as others here, but I'll take a stab at some of the questions;

1- If you already HAVE a Martini or Ruger, it's probably not a bad way to start.

2- Two "favorites" that come to mind are the .32 Miller, or .32 Dell (both, I think, are .357 Maximum cases necked/tapered to .32), or the .32-40.  If it was ME, I'd pick the .32-40, since there's over a century of load data out there, and NO shortage of experienced shooters to help.

3- Not a clue who's "best", but Buffalo Arms wouldn't be a bad place to start shopping.

4- I'm still a little suspicous about this whole "breech seating" thing... so I'd go with Fixed to start. But that's just me.


Back to #1:  You might consider a Uberti or the forthcoming (in a couple weeks, supposedly) Pedersoli High Wall in .38-55.   The Uberti's are said by some to have slightly "non-standard" bore and groove diameters, which would give you fits getting a bullet off the shelf to shoot with.
Those options MIGHT get you into the game faster and cheaper than having a Ruger or Martini re-built.

Others have more experience than I do, but I hope this helps!
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Reply #2 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 6:20pm
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Hi Hammer47,
I'm also just starting out in this game. I just bought a Ruger # 1 in 32-40 set up for both offhand and bench. The way this works is for offhand it has a Swiss hook butt plate and a palm rest, for bench you take off the palm rest and Swiss butt plate and screw on the standard butt pad for bench shooting. I should be shooting it sometime this week, at least I hope so.
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Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:23pm
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Where did you order this rifle from and may I ask the cost?
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:52pm
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Hammer47 wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:23pm:
Where did you order this rifle from and may I ask the cost?



Sorry Hammer,
I did not buy it new, it's a used one, should be receiving it tomorrow.

Keep looking here and on the auction sites, something will come up sooner or later. Depending on the make up of the rifle and the condition you may be looking at $ 800. to $ 1500.
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Re: Inexpensive starter standing rifle
Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 7:59pm
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Gary,

     There's the rub, a custom caliber in a Ruger #1 requires custom gunsmithing.  The rifle in question was custom barreled with a Douglas barrel some time ago and has been a "starter rifle" for several of us!  Cool

     If I were looking for an off-the-shelf starter rifle, I would indeed look at the Ruger #1 in some "normal" caliber, such as their .375, which is a modern version of the .38-55.  You might wish to go back and reexamine a couple of recent threads on gunsmiths and gunsmithing the #1.  I might also look at Uberti or Pedersoli replicas of the high-wall Winchester in that same .38-55, and at the CPA Stevens copies of the Model 44 1/2 in whatever caliber fit my needs best.   Smiley

     Your question about multi-use suggests that maybe a single rifle to do all things is in your mind, be aware that multi-use means compromise.  If you want to shoot BP cartridge events, I would maintain that anything under .38-55 will probably come up short for you, but then the big .40s can be downright brutal for long days of Schuetzen, so the .38 seems to fill in as an all-around caliber, not the very best at any one thing, but able to do a creditable job at a variety of things.  Wink

     Finally, the word "inexpensive" means different things to different people.  If your budget is in the $500 range, one of the tip-up rifles built on shotgun type actions may be the only thing available.  In the $1000 range, we start seeing the rebarreled Rugers, Italian copies of 'walls, etc, and at about $2000 the selection broadens out considerably.  "You pays your money..."  Roll Eyes

     Whatever you decide, welcome to the wonderful world of single shots, and whatever you pick for a rifle, there will be other folks there that made the same choice and like it, and others who will be bound and determined to "convert" you to some other choice... that's just the way we are! Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 8:28pm
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Shooter,

I am interested in seeing some pics of your Ruger, and anyone elses, set up for off hand and bench shooting. 

I would like to have a CPA 44 1/2 but the Ruger #1 is much more availible to me up here. I already have one and plan on another/more Grin

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Darryl
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 9:08pm
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PM me with your email address...I'll be glad to send photos of my No. 3 in 30-20 that's quite manageable from the bench, and very comfortable offhand, with no buttplate or buttstock changes.   

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Reply #8 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 9:38pm
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A previous owner (after me but before now) of the Ruger #1 we mentioned as having a Swiss type butt plate found that he could modify a plate available from Track of the Wolf by sawing off the top tang and some judicious shaping so that it would go directly on a factory #1 stock.  This is a GOOD THING when shooting offhand and with the palm rest (such as those from CPA) makes the rifle quite comfortable to shoot.  JMHO, but I felt at a disadvantage when I was shooting that rifle offhand using the factory (flat) plate.  Remember, if you FEEL like it hurts your shooting, on some level it WILL hurt your shooting!

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Reply #9 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 9:41pm
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Brozbows wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 8:28pm:
Shooter,

I am interested in seeing some pics of your Ruger, and anyone elses, set up for off hand and bench shooting. 

I would like to have a CPA 44 1/2 but the Ruger #1 is much more availible to me up here. I already have one and plan on another/more Grin

Best Regards,

Darryl


I'll try to do some pics a day or two after I receive it. like Green Frog said and I agree, it's a compromise type rifle, not a full bolwn Bench Rifle, not a full blown offhand rifle, but it can be used for both and it's a lot better than what I had which was nothing. This will get me started and most of my shooting with it will be Bench.
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Reply #10 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 10:10pm
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I have found an affordable Ruger #1 chambered in .270.  I have access to a smith for the re bbl but will there be a big issue in the extractor and ejector by changing the chambering to 32/20 or 32/40?
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 10:59pm
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Hammer47 wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 10:10pm:
I have found an affordable Ruger #1 chambered in .270.  I have access to a smith for the re bbl but will there be a big issue in the extractor and ejector by changing the chambering to 32/20 or 32/40?



Not a problem, the extractor and the ejector are the same thing on the # 1, it's spring loaded and will work with rimed or rimless cases. In fact if you do a 32-40 I think the 270 extractor will work just fine. For a 32-20 you may need a 218 Bee extractor.

I think there are only four different ones, and thoses four will work for anything from 22 Hornet up to 45-70, if you have to buy one they are about $ 5.00 from Ruger, at least they were last year, but the way things are going they may be $ 10.00 now.
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Reply #12 - Jul 20th, 2008 at 11:35pm
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Hammer47 wrote on Jul 20th, 2008 at 10:10pm:
I have found an affordable Ruger #1 chambered in .270.  I have access to a smith for the re bbl but will there be a big issue in the extractor and ejector by changing the chambering to 32/20 or 32/40?



Not a problem, the extractor and the ejector are the same thing on the # 1, it's spring loaded and will work with rimed or rimless cases. In fact if you do a 32-40 I think the 270 extractor will work just fine. For a 32-20 you may need a 218 Bee extractor.

I think there are only four different ones, and thoses four will work for anything from 22 Hornet up to 45-70, if you have to buy one they are about $ 5.00 from Ruger, at least they were last year, but the way things are going they may be $ 10.00 now.
  Shooter


What Shooter said...and even at $20, the Ruger extractors are cheap compared to carving one out!  My No. 3 started life as a .22 Hornet, and it's extractor works fine on the 32-20 case.   

The factory No. 1 stock would probably work well from the bench, but since you stated you want an offhand rifle, take a look at Paul Shuttleworth's schuetzen stock designs for the No. 1...his Stevens/Pope design is a little bit like what I did from scratch for my No. 3.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

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Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2008 at 8:50am
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Sharps 54 who post on this board has a nice already converted Ruger for sale.  32 Miller I think.  He moved up to a CPA

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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2008 at 8:59am
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A new CPA or used rifle of another make that is a little up scale of the Ruger, might not be a bad way to start.  It will cost a little more, but you will get most of your money back out if you decide to bail.  And if you stick with it, you may not feel the urge to upgrade quite so soon.   

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