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Reply #30 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 11:55am
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I've both read and observed that a takedown DOES lose something to a non takedown, unless you're comparing a poorly fit non-takedown to a very well fit and tight takedown.

If I have a takedown built, I want it fit up by someone who can fit it right, so I minimize that bit of loss.   

  
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Reply #31 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 1:20pm
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Naturally you want the take down device set up right. I am talking about a decent job with both takedown and solid frame. I've still not seen a difference.
  
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Reply #32 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 4:19pm
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Name me one benchrest record-holder who set the record with a takedown.
Good luck, Joe
  
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Reply #33 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 5:41pm
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It has been common in the past.
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Reply #34 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 6:56pm
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Meaning to offense to ANYONE... I have appreciated all the input in this thread thus far...
But I would appreciate it if arguments would be hashed out in private messages rather than in this thread.

Thanks for listening...

Paul F.
  
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Reply #35 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 7:44pm
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Sorry, Paul, I guess we were having a bad day or something.

I base my opinion on 40 years' experience owning, shooting, building and observing takedown rifles, both single shot and other. Am building a little Greener takedown Cadet right now, so I'm obviously not prejudiced against them.

The fact remains that almost all serious stool shooters abandoned their takedown rifles along about the same time that they abandoned their set triggers, IOW about 50 years ago. Now, that's not to say that some individual takedown rifles won't shoot tight groups, of course they will.

But I'm still waiting for a name of anyone who holds a benchrest record with a takedown rifle.
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Reply #36 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 9:18pm
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I was willing to abide by Paul_F request, but since you insist on carrying on I would like to point out that just because solid frame actions are more common does not prove that take downs are less accurate.
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Reply #37 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 11:14pm
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My input to this latest aspect of the discussion is this... Winchester made a fair number of Third Model (Takedown) Schuetzen Rifles, so they must not have believed it to be a detriment to accurate shooting.  From personal observation and knowledge, if the takedown fit is correct (tight), theorectically, there should be no loss in potential acuracy. That said, I can not speak from personal experience. The only Model 1885 Takedown I own is a 22 Short (and there is no accuracy loss as a result of the Takedown mechanism).

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Reply #38 - May 1st, 2008 at 4:08am
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Paul

I have been reading this thread with great interest hince I have been looking for the simelar project at about 5 years, I had to back off on the take down part about a year ago but still not able to get the right action I ordered a CPA 2 month ago in 38-55 with RKS barrel for 200 Meters of hand, I sill look for the highwall for the bench rest rifle but if the CPA action proves well I just might gonna buy another action to build the other rifle, fwiw I am ending up with 2 rifles and some more used dollers, but all hobbies cost money  Wink and you only live once.

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Reply #39 - May 1st, 2008 at 1:09pm
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Hi All !!!

The reason you don’t see no take-down’s at the bench is the old wife’s tale about recoil and harmonics loosening up the “joint” at the connection due to pressure from the hard rest.

Can’t say its true, just what I heard…

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Reply #40 - May 1st, 2008 at 1:39pm
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Disregarding the fact that the take down feature facilitates multiple barrel sets, and ignoring most of our interest in intricately engineered and machined rifle configurations, didn't the attraction of the takedown rifle diminish with the affordability of the automobile?  When bicycles ceased to be the primary transportation to the range, didn't takedown rifles go out of vogue? Wink THOP
  

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Reply #41 - May 1st, 2008 at 2:45pm
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thop wrote on May 1st, 2008 at 1:39pm:
Disregarding the fact that the take down feature facilitates multiple barrel sets, and ignoring most of our interest in intricately engineered and machined rifle configurations, didn't the attraction of the takedown rifle diminish with the affordability of the automobile?  When bicycles ceased to be the primary transportation to the range, didn't takedown rifles go out of vogue? Wink THOP  


That is another old "Wives tale". Winchester made lots of other models (repeaters) that were takedowns all the way up to the early 1960s.

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Reply #42 - May 1st, 2008 at 7:54pm
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Lack of demand.

Now, the exact reasons for the lack of demand, well, that probably has more than one explanation. IMO it was probably a combination of all the things that have aready been suggested and maybe a few more, finally culminating in the removal of the option when the demand had sunk too low for profitability.

Evidently the customers added up the advantages and disadvantages on the one side versus the other and chose to pass up the takedown feature. I personally think the two biggest influences were the changes in transportation options and also the increased accuracy possible with the new designs and components, resulting in higher expectations.
Interesting, regards, Joe
  
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Reply #43 - May 1st, 2008 at 8:35pm
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thop wrote on May 1st, 2008 at 1:39pm:
Disregarding the fact that the take down feature facilitates multiple barrel sets, and ignoring most of our interest in intricately engineered and machined rifle configurations, didn't the attraction of the takedown rifle diminish with the affordability of the automobile?  When bicycles ceased to be the primary transportation to the range, didn't takedown rifles go out of vogue? Wink THOP  


Heck, Marlin has been building a takedown .22 since 1897, and still builds it in the form of the 39a! Wink
  
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Re: So Who All is Making High Walls Right Now?
Reply #44 - May 1st, 2008 at 9:04pm
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I suspect the takedown feature of the Marlin is not its primary sales feature.  I've only taken mine down four or five times in 30 years of ownership.  Makes it easier to clean though Smiley  THOP
  

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