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cast bullet base conditions..
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:08am
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Okay,so I had a bad casting session,couldnt get a nose pour broken in,
and the 50 cal rapine needs venting...
So ,I busted out the trusty 40cal saeco and had filled out boolits almost immediately,tho some with sharper edges on the bases than others,but uniform and filled out all around,no wrinkles,which got me to thinking about the condition of the base,
and what Harry Pope said,
and wondering what are the feelings of all here concerning dead sharp vs radiused corners on the boolit bases,and how they may affect accuracy even
after they been weighed out/segregated.
How PICKY should I be??

thanks

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Reply #1 - May 3rd, 2008 at 2:55am
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greetings bushka,

it's not how picky you should be, it's how accurate  you want to be..

the assra target has a bulls eye  a couple of inches at 200 yds. don't think flat base bullets and radius base bullets would be very clanish at that range. howsomever, they should be alright for soda pop can accuracy at 50 yds..

the time spent learning to cast beautiful bullets is time well spent..

goodluck and ..ttfn..grampa..

PS.. a radius base is sometimes caused by a cool mold or melt.. if you have both flat and radius bases, work on your casting rythem..

PPS.. a mold that is over warm casts a better bullet than a mold that is on the cool side..
  
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Reply #2 - May 3rd, 2008 at 3:00am
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And, unfortunately, each mould has its own idea about ideal casting temp...  I need to run my B&D quite hot and rather fast to get good fillout - but then it is very consistent too.  Most of my other .45 moulds need both lower temp and slower pace to do their best work.
  
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Reply #3 - May 3rd, 2008 at 8:18am
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My experience has been that the sharper the base edge the better the accuracy. I have a mould that I also have a bump die for which I have tested side by side and found the sharper edged bullet shot better.

  I think the most important thing is that the base edge be uniform all the way around. Bullets that are supposed to cast a sharp edge rarely do as you will notice under close inspection. What my bump die does is to uniform this edge up and also true the whole bullet up to it's center line..... another critical point. There are very few moulds that cast a perfectly round or straight bullet.

  I have an old Winchester .32 cal. mould that casts a beveled edge which cast a very good edge. It will out perform many custom moulds I've got.

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Reply #4 - May 3rd, 2008 at 9:59am
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Bases are the significant factor on target.  Other things far less important.

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Reply #5 - May 3rd, 2008 at 12:49pm
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Dave,

Obviously you're better at it than I am - out of a 110,  I usually reject about 10, and the rest is about 0.4grs from the median, with which I am quite happy...  Most of them will be 0.1 +-, but there are always a few that go to 0.4grs.  I will shoot all of those for score at long range.  At 100, even +- 1 grain doesn't seem to matter, so that's where I shoot the rest.
Now, before you can coax that regularity out of a mould, it will need quite a bit of tweaking and getting used to...
  
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Reply #6 - May 3rd, 2008 at 2:39pm
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A thermometer in the mould is frequently a big help also.
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Reply #7 - May 3rd, 2008 at 2:43pm
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Joe,

Essential I might add - good casting without a lead thermometer in the melt is a bit of a hit-and-miss arrangement, you will see immediately any temp variations i nthe weigth of the bullets cast...  Consistency is the name of the game, just like for accurate shooting!
  
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Reply #8 - May 3rd, 2008 at 5:47pm
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Jim Borton turned me onto using a 1000 watt dimmer switch ( LUTRON NOVA N-1000-WH Incandescent Dimmer $62.00 in 2005 purchased from my local hardware store ) that controls the duplex outlet the pot is plugged into. This keeps the electrical current going to the lead pot at a constant which in turn keeps the melt at a constant and does away with the thermostat cycling on and off which creates temperature fluctuations. I have been using this setup since December of 2005 and noticed an immediate improvement in bullet casting consistency and consider it money well spent. You will have to spend some time finding the dimmer switch setting for your preferred casting temperatures which I simply marked along the side of the slide switch. 

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Re: cast bullet base conditions..
Reply #9 - May 3rd, 2008 at 10:46pm
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Hi All !!!

For long range shooting, I believe the bullet base must be square to the longitudinal axis with a sharp edge. 

To achieve that and not throw away what may be a good casting from the edge going forward, I load to a theoretical weight/length (just a few gram’s lighter than cavity weight) to achieve the perfect consistent base, 

I lap (sand) each casting base to a final dimension on a simple fixture that holds each bullet in its proper vertical position while drawn across a sheet of 250 emery cloth. A simple adjustable stop will keep the holding collet/arm from over sanding the base and falling out of the controlled weight limit. 

You would be surprised how fast you can run through a batch…

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Re: cast bullet base conditions..
Reply #10 - May 4th, 2008 at 12:33am
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Interesting,truing up bad bases...
easier done on a lathe.
If you are casting already,you can cull before ejection-right back into the pot.
BTW, what weight tolerances do you control by 'lappin"?
  
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Reply #11 - May 4th, 2008 at 12:36am
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I guess the real question was..

would those rounded base bullets [weighed] shoot as well as 
sharp base bullets [weighed]??
  
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Reply #12 - May 4th, 2008 at 11:21am
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Dave !!!

Did I mention my use of my Shop-Vac as a way to prevent lead absorption ? I use it for any and all my material removal. As far as testing goes, how many old time re-loaders have had themselves tested from handling lead for all these years ?? Have you ? 
Not saying it’s a bad idea, just funny it pops up now…

Bushka:

If the goal is consistency, then we must agree that its easier to visually accept a sharp edge base rather than try to compare round edge’s on a one to one inspection.

The weight is controlled by the stop position of the bullet in the collet as a max material condition developing a sharp edge and yes, a lathe would produce the same results, if one had a lathe. 

These are all good points and should be questioned as I am sure there are those younger and less experienced shooters not yet accustomed to the obvious “or” we older ones who have become complacent in our process.

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