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Re: So Who All is Making High Walls Right Now?
Reply #15 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 1:05am
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Paul,
I sent you a PM

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Reply #16 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 7:31am
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For a few more hours there is a nice Meacham action (new) with DSTs for sale on Gunbroker.   

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Reply #17 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 9:43am
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SSDave;

Thank you for your perspective!

I may indeed eventually modify my plan to two (or more) rifles...
But it's far too early to lower my standards! I haven't spent enough time, money, or effort tilting at windwills to give up on that nice cased set with two barrels, etc... (and yeah.. I'm thinking nice leather hard case too..).

Reality may beat me back down to earth... but not before I've at least designed this setup on paper (and probably using Excel to total the cost, and become frightened...).

Cheesy

Over the next few months, I'll see if I can have a chat with Ballard, C. Sharps, and Meacham, and see what combinations would be possible from them individually or in conjunction.
Hell, I could get really nuts and get a set of plans from Buffalo Arms (and/or the Archives) and some hunks of 8620 and 4140/4340 and get better with a lathe and mill then I am now.  OK.. that's probably overly ambitious...  At least right now  Wink

Thanks again to everyone who has shared their opinions! I may be too stubborn or stupid to always take good advice, but I DO appreciate it!

Paul F.


  
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Reply #18 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 9:45am
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Brent;

Thanks for the link!

I just KNEW that posting this question well in advance of financial freedom would bring some sort of deal out of the woodwork! LOL!

Hoepfully that action will go to a good home to build someone elses dream rifle.

Dang nice action!

Paul F.
  
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Re: So Who All is Making High Walls Right Now?
Reply #19 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 9:50am
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I have a similar dream of a hi-wall ss rifle.At the Baltimore Gun Show this year, I aquired a new 2002, in the white, Ballard manufactured Winchester hiwall barreled action in 4140 steel.It has the thin walled action, Helm large Lever dst-wide spaced, pistol grip, 32in. Douglas octagon #5 barrel, chambered 32-40 win., with a fitted fancy grade forearm. I shoot NSSA ,and my fondest dream is a #2 Maynard,percussion,50 cal., which I would even trade my recently aquired hiwall barreled action for.......jim
  
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Re: So Who All is Making High Walls Right Now?
Reply #20 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 10:02am
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Smitty,

     "I feel your pain."  I have John Bly rebarreling and doing some receiver work on a resurrected 2nd model right now so I can shoot N-SSA with it.  What I really want is a 1st model for those events and a three or four barrel set in Model 1873 with Hadley device for rim- or center fire.  They would go well with my three barrel take-down high-wall and other Winchesters, don'cha think?  BTW, cash-wise, somebody ought to jump on that offer you are making... it is pretty sweet to the right person., IMHO!  Wink

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Reply #21 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 10:47am
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benchrest guys switch barrels at range all the time. get a barrel vise and action wrench. lot cheaper than takedown action. nothing to loosen up either barrel screws directly into receiver. no real problem.as long as u use same parent case u can have as many barrels as u want.
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Reply #22 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 11:21am
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Paul, When I first got interested in BPCR (having soured on HP shooting), I did some research such as you are now doing and decided on a Meacham action to start my project with. At that time Meacham would sell a action by itself. Now he will only build and sell complete rifles, as to have complete quality control. Steve does all the barrel fitting and chambering, as well as bedding the stock himself to make sure that it is up to his specs. But, like I said, he won't sell you an action. However, he does furnish actions to John King, so If you had King put a barrel on or build the complete rifle , you could have that Meacham. I wouldn't give up on trying to flind an original receiver though. I had (still have) an original thin side hi wall receiver with the pistol grip lower tang that I was using to fit Schuetzen stocks to for a man in Florida. When I was finished with the series of stock jobs, he offered the action to me a payment for what what still due. When he shipped all the internal parts to make a complete action, the "US Postal Service" promtly lost them all. Well, after looking at the bare action for a couple of years, I called up Ballard in Cody and then sent them the receiver. It came back complete and it cost just over 1,000. for parts and labor. I know that sounds high, but they did a marvelous job and it is fitted just as tight as my Meacham action. It was well worth it.  Mori
  
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Reply #23 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 11:37am
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Paul, Have taken a good look at a CPA rifle? You can get switch barrels complete with forearms from them. They shoot very well and can be obtained with unfinished wood on them for a most reasonable price! More bang for your buck. Not a hi-wall but close. Mori
  
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Reply #24 - Apr 29th, 2008 at 12:33pm
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The CPA's are a very fine rifle!  But I much prefer the styling of the High Wall...Not ruling a nice CPA out entirely, but it's not my first choice, style wise.

Now, if Mr. G.P. (local shooter) ever decides to sell that 3 barreled, cased, CPA he got... I'll be one of the folks making him an offer.... but I'll pursue the High Wall for a while yet.

I did get a reply from Ballard about an action...
Currently all production is going into complete rifles, so they're not selling just an action... but I've asked them a couple follow-up questions..

Paul F.
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 12:32am
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Hello Paul,

As several of the other fellows mentioned, your best bet at finding an original Winchester high-wall takedown at a "reasonable" price, is a Second variation high-wall Winder Musket. I also agree that the strength of the frame and action is not an issue. 

Just to give you an idea of what you are up against (in an effort to find an original), I have surveyed 5,253 original Winchester Model 1885s. Of that number, exactly 116 were high-wall takedowns. Broken down into precise numbers by variation, they fall out as follows;

39 - 2nd variation High-wall Winder Muskets
27 - Third Model Schuetzen Rifles
26 - High-wall Shotguns
21 - Plain Sporting Rifles
2 - Special Sporting Rifles
1 - Special Single Shot Rifle

I own one of the Plain Sporting Rifles (the pictures below)... and no, it is not for sale Shocked

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It is a real odd-ball rifle in that it is a high-wall, chambered for 22 Short, with a 24" No. 3 octagon barrel, and it is an early enough serial number that I was able to get a factory letter for it.

Bert

  

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Reply #26 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 9:45am
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I don't really want to steal this thread, but I would like some informed opinions: can a takedown be as accurate as a normal single shot (for target use). They are tempting, particularly now since I am thinking of downsizing out of my SUV.  My only experience with a takedown rifle is a WWI vintage Savage 99 with iron sights, not really a target job.
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 10:45am
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I have never seen a draw back in accuracy when it comes to Stevens 44 1/2s or custom Ballards with the cross pin take down device. I had a Winchester take down too, but it was in.22 short and iron sights so it is hard to say about that one.
  
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Reply #28 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 11:23am
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can a takedown be as accurate as a normal single shot (for target use). .


For offhand work, sure. For benchrest shooting,  Check the record-holders' rifles, I doubt you'll find even one takedown.
JMO, good luck, Joe
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Reply #29 - Apr 30th, 2008 at 11:54am
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I have shot both and talk from experience.
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