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corwin4
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Sharps Borschadt sling swivels
Mar 30th, 2008 at 7:47am
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Lucky me, I have just aquired an original 1878 Sharps military rifle, complete with original cleaning rod.  Unfortunately the sling swivels are missing and I was wondering if anyone might know where I might get replacements?

By the way I have measured the twist rate on this gun and it appears to be 1:18.  Have I got this wrong, I was expecting 1:22.

Thanks for any information anyone is able to provide.

Carl Hanson.



  
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J.D.Steele
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Reply #1 - Mar 30th, 2008 at 10:32am
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My friend the rdnck has measured several original sidehammer sporter Sharps in museums and found 1:18 twist. The rdnck is a world-reknowned Black Powder authority who also moderates the Goex BP site. He has a very thorny personality and does not suffer fools gladly but his info is always spot on.
FYI, good luck, Joe
  
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zrifleman
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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 12:04am
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Twist rate on a Borchardt musket should be 1-20. Winchester used 1-22 twist on their 45-70 cal. 1886 Winchesters. Sharps commonly used a 1-20 twist on 40 & 45 cal. sporting rifles and 1-18 twist on long range target rifles.
  
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harry_eales
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 12:45pm
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Hello Carl,

The two rifle slings were attached to the front barrel band and to a lug on the underside of the action body positioned in front of the lever.

If both the band and the lug are still present, then it shouldn't be difficult to make replacement sling loops, it may pay you to get the dimensions of the wire loops from another original Borchardt military rifle. (I'm sure some members of this Forum could provide them for you).

If the mountings have been removed or ground off, you may be able to obtain a forward barrel band complete with the sling loop by advertising in the For Sale or Wanted section of the ASSRA forum. These are often removed when such rifles are sporterised.

Not having been able to examine an original military version of this rifle, I am not certain how the lug on the action body was fitted, but it shouldn't be too difficult to have it to be replicated by a competant machinist and perhaps attached to the action by a screw made integral with the lug.

Harry.
  
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Brent
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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 2:04pm
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I might have one - cant' quite remember if I still have the military barrel from my Borchardt action or if it had sling swivels on it.  But if I have it, I don't need it.   

Brent
  
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corwin4
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Reply #5 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 4:19pm
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Thanks to you all for taking the time to reply to my query.

The attachment points on the barrel band and on the trigger guard are intact.  It's just the swivels are missing.

If you have these Brent would you be willing to part with them and how much would you want for them?

Maybe I got the twist rate wrong although I did check this several times to be as sure as I could.  I was hoping to shoot this rifle with 525 gn bullets as I use these with great success in my pedersoli repro 1874.

I may have to try a lighter bullet if the twist rate is 1:20.

Thanks again for the info.

Carl Hanson.
  
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Brent
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Reply #6 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 5:00pm
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Carl, let me look and see what I have.  I may be confusing the Sharps barrel with an old rolling block barrel.  But it seems that I have the Sharps barrel just not sure what's on it or not now.   

I'll let you know tonight or tomorrow.

Brent
  
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J.D.Steele
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Reply #7 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 7:17pm
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I am not certain how the lug on the action body was fitted, but it shouldn't be too difficult to have it to be replicated by a competant machinist and perhaps attached to the action by a screw made integral with the lug.
Harry.


Harry, the lug on the frame (action body) is integral and has small machined radius curves at the base that indicate this to the observer. Would be difficult for the average smith to use an add-on piece without leaving at least some visual indications.
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zrifleman
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 10:39pm
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I recently purchased a Borchardt musket for a buddy of mine. Before I handed it off to him, I shot some 540 gr PJ duplex loads thru it. So far those have been the most accurate loads tried. 1-20 twist can handle the heavier bullets just fine.
  
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Brent
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Reply #9 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 9:06pm
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Carl, I dug out my barrel and it has no swivels on it.  I must have been thinking about the Husky action I have.  It has only a front sight on it.  Nothing else.   

Brent
  
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corwin4
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Reply #10 - Apr 5th, 2008 at 7:58pm
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Brent.  Thanks for taking the trouble to look.

I shot my rifle for the first time yesterday.  The trigger was a bit heavier that I am used to but I was pleasantly suprised at how well it shot with 525 gn saeko 745 bullets at 100 metres. I guess the rifling twist is suitable for these after all.

Carl Hanson.

  
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Re: Sharps Borschadt sling swivels
Reply #11 - Nov 17th, 2008 at 9:13am
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If your still looking I have the one on the reciever that I would part with.
   Don
  
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Re: Sharps Borschadt sling swivels
Reply #12 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 11:07am
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Ran into a guy that had a bunch in his parts box. 8 to 10 or so. Was not going to use then as he had converted his all to sporters.
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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 11:27pm
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I was reading the site and noticed that someone may have a front swivel for a Military '78 Borchardt for sale.   I am interested if one is for sale.  Let me now, thanks, reindeer
  
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