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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 815 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #15 - Feb 28^th, 2008 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	Ed, well the first post spoke of quality control of all ammo. Since it rapidly evolved into reloading potential I kind of assumed that nobody was going to go through that to outperform CCI stingers. On your other point while .22 BR match shooting is often zero tolerance stuff I doubt many do or will pay that kind of scratch for ammo. Last year I shot nothing but black box at nine bucks+ a box and shot 23 250's in compition. Eley sent some of this $6 club over and it shot exceedingly well. While I would not call it cheap, it's still a far cry from $25.

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singleshotom Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Location: tofield AB. Canada Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2008	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #16 - Feb 29^th, 2008 at 1:17am	Print Post
	Well I thank you all for the great info. The reason I asked the question was that in early part of my shooting life I was using pre 1970 Eley Red box in 100 meter and 150 meter matches. I had ammo from 5 different lots and all 5 lots were capable of sub-minute groups fairly constantly. Since returning to the bench game this past couple of years I have purchased several lots of Eley EPS both Black and Tenex Redbox.. and Lapua "M' and "L".. Testing these lots in controlled conditions... they wont hold a candle to the few boxes of Pre 70 ammo I have left.. Upon inspection under a scope the only visual difference is the crimp.... it is not as constant as it was and it far more pronounced now. Also the weight of shells was far more diverse in the Post 2006 lots. So I just wondered about removing the crimp, because the recovered bullets appear to have pronounced tearing at the sides where the crimp is applied.


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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 815 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #17 - Feb 29^th, 2008 at 8:51am	Print Post
	Wow, I'm really surprised to here about your test stuff because it's been generally accepted that the stuff that's been out the last couple years in particular vastly exceeds any of the old stuff, in particular the '07 lots off the 3 machine and the new 5 machine with black box in particular. The crimp is generally better, they changed the drive band on the EPS stuff a while back allowing for better fouling removal and shot to shot consistancy and then moved it forward slightly in an attempt to address a stability issue with more folks using extremely tight bore, 2-groove, slow twist bbls. The next chance you get to test some stuff you might want to try lots off the 3 and 5 machine, go with some speeds from a range of 1053 to about 1065fps. Lots of that mid 50's stuff has been good. Good luck.

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singleshotom Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Location: tofield AB. Canada Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2008	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #18 - Feb 29^th, 2008 at 10:11am	Print Post
	Thnx Tim, I'll try and locate some from those Lots good info. Thnx Again


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Brent Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #19 - Feb 29^th, 2008 at 5:37pm	Print Post
	I will agree with Tim, I don't know the machines that my lots come from but the stuff I have in the 1064 fp and 1062 fps range is just plain excellent. Really excellent. Brent


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rimfire Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2008 at 2:20pm	Print Post
	gentlemen - I believe both ASSRA rules and also the 50 yd BR orginiazation rules state unaltered factory ammo - I know the reason ASSRA went to this rule was liability - we didn't want anybody trying to pull lead out of the cases at the range and having an accident - if primed cases were readily available we might reconsider the rule. you all have a good day now - the rimfire - cdpersons


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irish66 Oldtimer Online Posts: 534 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #21 - Mar 1^st, 2008 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	just because i hate it when some starts quoting rules matt any time you want to shoot 22 rf breech seating at my placecome on down and to heck witht he rules. i started trying this about 7 years ago and quit. but i still have the mold and the seater for my ballard. cheers irish


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rimfire Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #22 - Mar 1^st, 2008 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	hey - I'm not pickin on ya if ya want to do it I was just stating why its not allowed at ASSRA matches - I wish you the best of luck with your efforts - you have a good day now - the rimfire - cdpersons


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leadball Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #23 - Mar 2^nd, 2008 at 9:51am	Print Post
	rimfire; I have experimented with breechseating 22RF --trying to make cheap ammo shoot better, "does it work" you bet it does, but its a lot of trouble fooling with those small cases and as you state why go to all the trouble because no shooting venue I know will allow re-loaded 22RF ammo. Breechseating 22RF works but is it worth the effort "no". leadball


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SPG Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #24 - Mar 2^nd, 2008 at 12:38pm	Print Post
	Gentlemen, There is nothing in the Wyoming Schuetzen Union rules that prohibit the use of hand loaded .22 rimfire ammo...with either black or smokeless. Gute Ziele, Steve


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Shooter_#_1 Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #25 - Mar 2^nd, 2008 at 1:10pm	Print Post
	Guys, Can you tell me what page in the rule book it tells about not being able to reload 22 RF's, I cant find anything about it. Thanks Shooter


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Jim_Borton Global Moderator Offline Posts: 449 Location: Tipp City Joined: Apr 9^th, 2004	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #26 - Mar 2^nd, 2008 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	There is a new rule book being worked on as we speak! Way back a few year ago when people were starting to try this thing with 22rf, the BOD decided it would not be aloud in ASSRA matches! This new printing of the rule book will be the first time it has had a chase to be put in writing! Jim Schezenmeister of ASSRA

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Shooter_#_1 Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #27 - Mar 2^nd, 2008 at 6:30pm	Print Post
	I guess what your saying is the "new" rule book I just got is the old rule book that is no longer used. ?. Guess I'll back off on the gun I had planed on having J & C gunsmiths make up. Or is the only change in the "new" rule book about ammo. Shooter


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leadball Ex Member	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #28 - Mar 2^nd, 2008 at 9:10pm	Print Post
	I'm glad WSU permits re-loading 22RF--I also wish ASSRA would not have adopted this rule, the safety angle doesn't work for me, as a shooter I consider the re-loading of a case full of blackpowder in a 50/90 or a 300win Mag much more dangerous than the 22RF. I'll carry right along with the new rule and pretend I'm happy, its not a big thing. My point has always been "I don't want to re-load 22RF ammo but, I don't want to prevent the other guy from doing so". leadball


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irish66 Oldtimer Online Posts: 534 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: Reloading 22 RF Reply #29 - Mar 2^nd, 2008 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	leadball, could not have put it better. after a talk with matt he has got me thinking about trying to shoot breech seating 22 lead in a khornet. (lowwall) but I think i am going to restart the rimfire venture again just for lack of nothing else better to chew on. irish.


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