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Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Dec 20th, 2007 at 12:03am
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Does anyone recognize the X inside the square marking on this barrel?  The "12 38" may be a date or it may be a sequence number.  The barrel work and the stock work dates from the 30's. oops!  Please excuse all the white space around the image.  The picture is good, but you have to move the sliders to find it.
  
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Re: Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Reply #1 - Dec 20th, 2007 at 2:03am
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Ten_mile, 

Enough teasing!  Post a picture of the entire arm.

What is it ?   Huh   Time to share.   Smiley   


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Re: Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Reply #2 - Dec 20th, 2007 at 8:07am
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Since you insist...
Here is one.  The caliber is 22 Saunders.  There is a picture of the chamber cast in the reloading forum.
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Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2007 at 10:41am
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Now look what you did W.  Now we all have to suffer everytime we pull up this thread.   Smiley
  
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Re: Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2007 at 2:40pm
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CLUNK!! ( jaw hitting floor )

If I was a varmit, I'd be real nervous. New track shoe's would be in order. 

The rifle was rebuilt by Neidner?  If so  MP should be able to tell you something. 

Unfortunitely MP has abandoned this forum, I think. Ive seen recent posts on the WSU by MP.


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Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2007 at 3:09pm
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Unfortunitely MP has abandoned this forum, I think. Ive seen recent posts on the WSU by MP. 
   
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Re: Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2007 at 3:34pm
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The barrel doesn't have any of the usual Niedner trademarks, so MP doesn't think it is a Niedner.  OTOH, the stock is stamped under the buttplate (a Niedner, of course) with the proper "T.SHELHAMER" stamp.  I am convinced the barrel is the one that was on the rifle when the stock was made based on the tool marks from the inletting, the fit and finish of the metal, and other clues.  Look closely at the picture on page 317 of Landis.  The caption says this one is a 22 Niedner Magnum and the Westley Richards below an R-2.  I think Landis may have had his notes mixed up when he wrote the caption.  If the "12 38" is a date code, I'm surprised that anyone would go with an original Lovell-type chamber instead of an R-2 at this time.  If it was ever a Niedner Magnum, I can't imagine someone wanting to go with a lesser caliber.  Whoever did the barrel work, if not Niedner, was a master.  My hope lies in finding out who used the X inside the square as a trademark.  In the meantime, I am gathering the stuff I need to make her shoot again.
  
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Re: Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2007 at 6:07pm
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Very interesting ten_mile.

Please keep us up to date on your progress.


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Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2007 at 11:53pm
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Now if I was a varmint, and I had to get shot; that gun would make one proud to say he was shot by it! Wink What a great rifle!
  
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Re: Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2008 at 5:25pm
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I have measured the chamber cast and have determined that the 22 Saunders is virtually identical to the original 22-3000.  Since the 22-3000 was developed in 1934, I think the "12 38" is the Niedner barrel sequence number corresponding to the work being done in 1935.  If the "12 38" represented December of 1938, it seems to me that the R-2 (1937 development) would have been a more likely chambering.  I still have no clue as to the square with the inscribed X.  It looks like it was cut with a graver rather than stamped.  I welcome all comments and speculations.
I have made dies and some cases, so when it warms up, the crows had better   watch out.
  
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Re: Barrel marks on a 30's varminter
Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2008 at 2:14pm
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Since I have been shooting a Dubeil highwall in R2 recently I might offer a few loadc tips. Try AA1680 with pistol primers and try some of Jim Calhoon's 37gr hp bullets, the combo shoots great in my rig and pressures are quite reasonable since I don't want to be searching for more of those G&H cases. Good luck.
  

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