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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 3:25am
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I read so dang much; anymore I can't remember where I read what. The reason the 38/55 and other 38's were "banned" for long range was the fear that the trajectory had to be so steep that at the 900-1000 yd ranges the bullets would come in to the targets so steep that folks in the pit would get one in the bean. This viewpoint was of course pulled out of the nether regions of its perpetrators. An experiment quickly proved that no such thing happens. Despite the proof, these rounds are still excluded from competition. So much for the triumph of science over "common sense". Why, everybody knows such a puny load will be nearly perpendicular (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
cheesyo the ground at such a long range.  I dunno how to express my disgust any better than that.
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Reply #16 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 3:27am
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now all I have to do is master the smilies
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Reply #17 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 10:46am
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buffler wrote on Oct 31st, 2007 at 3:25am:
I . This viewpoint was of course pulled out of the nether regions of its perpetrators. An experiment quickly proved that no such thing happens. Despite the proof, these rounds are still excluded from competition. So much for the triumph of science over "common sense". Why, everybody knows such a puny load will be nearly perpendicular (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
cheesyo the ground at such a long range.  I dunno how to express my disgust any better than that.
Don Smiley


Don, someone once said, "You'll never go broke betting on human stupidity!" We all see daily proof of that, sometimes when we look on this forum and sometimes when we look in the mirror.

And it appears that organizations are even more subject to that problem than individuals, sometimes.
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Reply #18 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 10:51am
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JD,

    I am sure that you noticed in your dealings with Guvmint, like mine with Skool, the intelligence and the accomplishments of the entire group are limited and defined by the dumbest, least cooperative members...who usually become bosses or administrators!  Grin

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Reply #19 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 1:22pm
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Or, as I've heard it put, "none of us is as dumb as all of us".  Shocked

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Reply #20 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 1:24pm
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does this make the phrase "collective wisdom" an oxymoron? Sad
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 2:31pm
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Looks as if others have had the same experience!  I'm sorry for the rant, folks, but I distrust opinion until proven by experiment.
   
BTW,I think the best expression of the groupthink phenomenon is due to good ol' Pogo: We have met the enemy and he is us."

The other arbitrary rule I don't care for is the exposed hammer for BP silhouette, 'cause I can't shoot my Borchart even though it is period (copy), even though the HiWall is a later action(if my faltering memory serves) This is absurdly justified in the name of "safety", as is the duplex load. Ever hear of a duplex blowing up an action, except maybe a rural legend?

Gosh. these forums are dangerous things, makes me prone to the release of choler...
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Reply #22 - Oct 31st, 2007 at 8:42pm
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Don,
Excluding the Borchardt and duplex loads in bpcr had nothing to do with safety.  You can see a discusson of the former issue and pursue a definitive explanation to the second on the Shiloh Forum where some of the original instigators of the competition hang out.   

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Reply #23 - Nov 1st, 2007 at 3:02am
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Thanks, Brent. Is that the Shiloh sharps forum?
Glad to find out the facts!
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Reply #24 - Nov 1st, 2007 at 3:41am
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Brent: I found at least some of the discussion. Apparently the decision was made around 2004 to do away with duplex loads for the Creedmoor style long range shooting, some horror stories along the lines of 'if a little is good, a lot is better' doing damage.  I had remembered something about a 10% rule, but it apparently was 25% at one time. I didn't find any specific reasons given for the change.
As for the Borchardt question, I think I saw that exposed hammers were specifically called for by the NRA in the rules they set forth, could not find any reasons given. Apparently B's are OK for long range.
Please don't get me wrong here. I REALLY am not against the rules per se. they are what they are, and if one wants to compete, then go with what is. What I am opposed to is the justification of rules by specious argument, such as exposed hammers being safer on the line (which I have heard). The real reason for the rule may have been to keep Ruger actions off the line in the spirit of the sport. Odd that the DeHaas-Miller actions qualify Smiley
Sorry I got this started, think it is time to just drop it, specially since it has nowt to do with fast twist!
Thanks for introducing me to the Shiloh forum. Learned something, anyway and I do have a little black feather hanging from the mouth...
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Reply #25 - Nov 1st, 2007 at 8:56am
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Take the avrage I.Q. of a group of people. Devide by the number of people in the group. that is the group I.Q.  Works every time.
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Reply #26 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 8:18pm
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hst wrote on Oct 24th, 2007 at 1:21pm:
Vlad:

A 14 twist .38 barrel is pretty much standard in the BP cartridge world. A 12 twist would be considered fast, and some are using 10" twists.

In any event, you should have no problem with the heavy 330 grain bullet in the 14 twist. I believe it to be the proper twist for your applicaton, particularly if you intend to shoot farther distances.

Glenn Fewless

I had an 1885 lo-wall converted from a .25RF to .38 Special and the smith installed a 1:10 twist liner.  I hadn't specified the twist I wanted so I can't place the blame entirely on the smith.  I haven't shot it yet, but In my limited knowledge of barrel twist rates I'm thinking that I should be loading with the heaviest lead bullets I can find.  Am I correct in my thinking~?
  
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