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32-35 Junior Member Offline Posts: 79 Joined: Jul 10^th, 2007	Re: hm pope 1885 Reply #15 - Nov 19^th, 2007 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	ACGould wrote on Nov 18^th, 2007 at 9:11pm: Pope worked for Stevens while the 44 actions were in production. He left just about the time when the 44 1/2 appeared. All the original Stevens-Pope rifles made when he was at the Stevens Factory were on the #44 action. Apparently, after he left he didn't have anything good to say about Stevens or the #44 action! The Stevens-Pope barrels on 44 1/2 actions were higher numbers -- they were produced by Stevens for years after Pope left the company. Cheers, Leon The 44 1/2 appeard in late 1902 when Fred Ross demonstrated it at matches. Exactly when it became available to the public I am not sure (yet) but "More Single Shot Rifles" has a Stevens invoice for a 44 1/2 rifle dated December, 1903. Harry left Stevens in December, 1905. I can assure you there are many (relatively speaking) Stevens-Pope rifles built on the 44 1/2 action. 32-35


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ACGould Full Member Offline Posts: 138 Location: Central San Joaquin Valley Joined: Sep 3^rd, 2004	Re: hm pope 1885 Reply #16 - Nov 19^th, 2007 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	32-35, I am in agreement with you, mostly. However, I don't recall ever seeing a low number Stevens Pope barrel (one that was probably made while Pope was still with Stevens) on a 44 1/2 action. Not saying there weren't any, just that I've never run across one! However, it is true that Stevens made many "Stevens Pope" rifles on 44 1/2 actions after Pope left the company. I have even owned a plain Ideal 44 1/2 sporting rifle with a Stevens-Pope 28-30 barrel!! The barrel number was 1888. I doubt that anyone knows for sure, but I suspect there were many more Stevens Pope barrels made by Stevens after Pope left than when he was with the company! Cheers, Leon


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32-35 Junior Member Offline Posts: 79 Joined: Jul 10^th, 2007	Re: hm pope 1885 Reply #17 - Nov 19^th, 2007 at 7:32pm	Print Post
	ACGould wrote on Nov 19^th, 2007 at 7:03pm: 32-35, I am in agreement with you, mostly. However, I don't recall ever seeing a low number Stevens Pope barrel (one that was probably made while Pope was still with Stevens) on a 44 1/2 action. Not saying there weren't any, just that I've never run across one! However, it is true that Stevens made many "Stevens Pope" rifles on 44 1/2 actions after Pope left the company. I have even owned a plain Ideal 44 1/2 sporting rifle with a Stevens-Pope 28-30 barrel!! The barrel number was 1888. I doubt that anyone knows for sure, but I suspect there were many more Stevens Pope barrels made by Stevens after Pope left than when he was with the company! Cheers, Leon Small world Mr. U. I'm the one who bought number 1888 from you!! Antiqueguns.com, November 2004. I have handled many Stevens-Pope rifles on the 44 1/2 action, but you are correct in that I did not note (or pay attention to or remember) the barrel numbers. I really enjoy number 1888. I call it my poor man's Stevens-Pope It will be featured in an upcoming magazine article of mine. Best, 32-35


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terry buffum Full Member Offline Posts: 149 Location: Bend, Oregon Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: hm pope 1885 Reply #18 - Nov 20^th, 2007 at 12:34pm	Print Post
	Stevens - Pope #739 is a .22 short on 44 1/2. Stevens - Pope # P 1223 is .28 - 30 on 44 1/2 Stevens - Pope # P 876/2 is .32 - 40 on 44 1/2

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marlinguy Ex Member Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater!	Re: hm pope 1885 Reply #19 - Nov 20^th, 2007 at 8:46pm	Print Post
	boats wrote on Nov 19^th, 2007 at 8:53am: I am with JD on this one. If a rifle proves to be authentic and desirable, no fakery involved, cash talks. Lay 10,000 on the table and see if he picks it up. Particularly if the dealer has had it a long time. Most of these guys are not true lovers of fine rifles but traders and need to turn inventory. However when you are talking about this much money there are lots of fakes out there. Friend of mine used to be a High Grade Henry collector. He said at least half of what you see is miss represented. Did you see in the latest NRA mag the Winchester that won a major collectors prize only to find out Doug Turnbull had refurbished it years ago. Turnbull did the right thing and called it a fake. Couple of reasons to buy a rifle like these. Becuse Harry did the work. To shoot, or to make money. On this board Harry Popes work is probably the only reason to buy, just make sure he built the rifle. Boats It was an 1893 Marlin deluxe rifle, not a Winchester. Further, the selle (who I personally know) did not have any clue it had been restored. He had it inspected by several professional appraisers and all certified it original. A testament to Turnbull's workmanship! A further testament to his workmanship is that it sold for over $10k, even wih the buyers being informed it was a Turnbull restoration!

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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: hm pope 1885 Reply #20 - Nov 21^st, 2007 at 11:13am	Print Post
	Hi All. I saw a mention for a gun store called Guns of Tahoe here inyour comments. Due yourselfs a BIG favor and run as fast as possible from anything that has come from that dealer. I was working on a federal hyway project and stopped in there on the way back to california, I always thoght his guns were a bit pricey but after being in the actual store I was amazed. He deals mostly with rich tourists AND GOUGES THEM ALL FROM WHAT i COULD TELL. i WAS IN HIS STORE FOR APPROXAMATLY 30 MINUTES AND ONCE I HAD ID'd myself as a collector and a shooter he basicaly ran me off and said do not come back. I was amazed by his conduct until I thought again about his location. He is located on the shore of Lake Tahoe, big turist draw. He did have some nice rifles but the prices were all over the place. My son who was with me asked to see a certain rifle, and we wittness the owner tear off a price sticker to allow him to jack the price up higher. then the owner said well, I do not know the price on this one as it is not marked, and he made a call to someone and asked what he should charge for it. I think these may be the fabled LEAVE ER RIGHT GUNS. MIKE


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7575 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: hm pope 1885 Reply #21 - Nov 21^st, 2007 at 3:12pm	Print Post
	Did not know that's who was involved. I have been in the store several times while shooting at Raton. He was a big mis-representer of Trapdoors. Claimed Indian wars province for rifles that were numbered way too high for that sort of service. I don't know much but do know Trapdoors and he was full of BS. Let the buyer beware Boats


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