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henpeckedmuch
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fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Oct 1st, 2007 at 5:20pm
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  I have a 1882 Maynard in 25-20 ss. It has excessive headspace.(ie. the distance between the end of the barrel and the front of the receiver appears to be maybe twice the distance of the width of the rim of the cartridge.). What can be done for this?
  The lockup of the barrel is normal, that is, the lever begins to exhibit tension about 1/2 way towards being closed. The barrel is tight at full battery. The only problem is the distance between the end of the barrel and the front of the receiver. 
  I've heard of pinching the toggol ends closer together to tighten lockup of the barrel would this help?
  
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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #1 - Oct 1st, 2007 at 5:50pm
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hpm:

Are you sure it is an '82 model? The gap you describe sounds like a '73 designed for Maynards thick rimmed proprietary cartridges.

In any event, the barrel locks up on the frame, not the standing breech so the headspace cannot be adjusted by messing with the locking linkage. Pictures would help, but this might well be something that needs to be examined by a good singleshot smith.

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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #2 - Oct 1st, 2007 at 7:51pm
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I have a 25-20ss barrel that I recently had on Froggies 1873 frame. It indeed had a gap very similar to what you are describing. As far as I can gather from what I have read the 25-20ss was only ever put on the 1882 from the factory. Of course with special order, who knows. It might be possible to have someone like Dave Casey at Rocky Mt Cartridge make custom cases for your configuration. If I had an 1873 frame, that is probably what I would do. I have an opposite problem. I have a second model frame gunsmith converted to center fire. WHen my 1882 barrel locks up, it is too little space between the barrel and breech piece. I am going to try to thin the rim of one of my cases on a lathe and hope it will work, I may be calling Dave myself to see if he can help out here if my thinning doesn't work. I see primer problems in my future!
I hope you get it into action, gotta love a Maynard
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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #3 - Oct 1st, 2007 at 9:52pm
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Hey MB, don't forget you have to thin those rims from the front, and there aint no whole buncha brass there to thin anywhooo.  Maybe you oughta just get rid of that barrel...FIRST DIBS!!  Cheesy

See ya Saturday @ Ft Shenandoah.

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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #4 - Oct 2nd, 2007 at 8:30am
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Dave Casey can make up a set of cases with thicker rims. All he needs is a measurement for the rims

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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #5 - Oct 2nd, 2007 at 5:20pm
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Froggie,
Maybe I should try to make the first rimless maynard! What do ya think? BTW, Lisa is not only on board for the spring targets, but is excited about them. SHe hopes to get a chance to hear your ideas Saturday.
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Reply #6 - Oct 3rd, 2007 at 6:05pm
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  It is a 82 model the  73 model gap is much greater and the 25-20ss was first introduced in 1882 the barrel # matches the frame and the receiver is marked 1882.
  On the percussion model 50 cal carbine you can close the gap between the barrel and receiver by pinching the link together some. 
  
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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #7 - Oct 3rd, 2007 at 6:25pm
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Henpeckedmuch,
From what you are saying about the percusion models and the link, do you think it is possible to go in reverse? In my situation, I have a percussion converted to centerfire frame and an 1882 barrel. It is leaving me with too little headspace to completely close my barrel with a cartridge inserted. Would it be possible to loosen the link to GIVE me headspace? I never thought about that angle before.
As for your gun, Dave Casey can make cases for about anything. I have some of his 25-20ss cases, 50-45 remington cases and .577 sniders, all top notch and very durable. You probably already know, they will last you a lifetime. As 40-Rod said, he would need the headspace firgure. He says right on his website that he can help with headspace issues via custom cases. 
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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #8 - Oct 3rd, 2007 at 10:14pm
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Jon, take your question to John Bly this weekend @ Ft Shenandoah.  I'd bet my last bippy he can answer it immediately and definitively.  I think you said you know him already, but if not, I would be pleased to intoduce you guys.  Wink See ya Sat AM!  Cool

Froggie

PS I've gotta bring my short barrel with the ruined chamber along to leave with Bobby Hoyt for a rebore.  I've decided that's the only way to go.  Undecided
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2007 at 11:31pm
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What can be done for this?

Henpecked, you might want to consider a shim epoxied or JB Weld'ed on the lip of the chamber.

Determine the excess headspace - take some shim stock and make a circle the width of the excess - apply the circle to the lip on the chamber
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 9th, 2007 at 11:04pm
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   Merwin Bray   I got to meet Green Frog at Fort Shanandoah Saturday but couldn't find you or John Bly. As a partial answer to your question from above, I talked to Larry Romano and he said he could fix my excessive headspace problem by welding some stock onto the back of the large "L" shaped under lug of the barrel. 
   Now, it seems if you were to reverse this process by taking a little metal off the back of this ,I'm going to call it the under barrel lug, and/or  open the lever link it makes sence that it would increase the headspace of your rifle. Many of the percussion Maynards have loose barrels and consequently excessive headspace. Some of this is caused by wear on this under barrel lug and stretching or wear of the lever link. It would seem you need what many of the old percussions have. Hope this helps you Don Ostrander NC 66th Co. A 
  
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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2007 at 7:34am
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Don,
Sorry I missed you! I spoke with John and he showed me the differences in frames. I could take a little off the "lug", but would hate to do that to an otherwise fairly nice original barrel. I was able to get it to close on my case and think if I take the slightest bit off the rim I will be ok. What I really need is a complete frame built for a centerfire case.
It would appear to me that to make my frame work, whoever did the smithing on it, probably over 100 yrs ago, most likely chambered the barrel deep enough for the rim to go into the chamber a bit. The percussion frame is still proper original length. I only wish I had the barrel that was originally on the gun.
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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2015 at 7:34pm
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Hi Hen-P-Much;

Do you still have the Maynard rifle with the head space problem?

Since you brought the problem to our attention many years past, the ASSRA forum has gained the participation of a highly qualified and conversant Maynard aficionado by the name of "Deadeye Bly".

I will mention your post to John and if you are still around I am certain he would be happy to share his Maynard knowledge with you.

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Re: fix for headspace problem on 1882 maynard?
Reply #13 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 5:53am
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 I have a 1882 Maynard in 25-20 ss. It has excessive headspace. What can be done for this?  I've heard of pinching the toggol ends closer together to tighten lockup of the barrel would this help?


This analysis and cure was most likely articulated ( and overheard ) one late evening around the campfire.

Lest we forget, what is able to be bent in one direction, is just as likely (and able) to be bent in the opposite direction.  Of course, we all know from our gunsmithing classes what metal fatigue is all about, correct?

Dr.Maynard
  
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