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Re: Remington Rolling Block Failure
Reply #15 - Sep 21st, 2007 at 10:39am
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I agree the rust spot is interesting. I have access to all the equipment necessary to do a complete work up. Scanning electron microscope (SEM), Optical emission Spectrograph (OES). Micro hardness testing etc. May be some day I will be able to get my hands on a failed action. Sure would be interesting.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 21st, 2007 at 11:02am
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Working on the Remington rollers I've found that the metal progressed from start to finish. This probably is due to knowledge of metal working increasing with time. The early rollers with Remingtons on tang are the worst. I have had cracked receivers of this particular group and metal has a lot of voids. Some E. Remington marked ones are like this but not often. The later E. Rem. actions and Rem. Arms actions the metal was much improved. I am baseing this on my laymans experience in machining them. One can tell good metal when it is being machined. Haven't machined any Huskys so can't comment. Jerry
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 21st, 2007 at 1:46pm
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It's interesting that Norma warns that the Scandinavian rollers are brittle since, from what I've been told, they load the 8x68 pretty stiff.  The pictures of the failed action do give food for thought.  Kind of makes me think of the early Springfield 03s and Krags.

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Reply #18 - May 20th, 2008 at 9:55pm
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  Notice the chamber. It looks like it was for a belted case. Which might explain the failure. MD
  
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Reply #19 - May 20th, 2008 at 10:14pm
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 Notice the chamber. It looks like it was for a belted case. Which might explain the failure. MD


I noticed that immediately.  I think someone did something really stupid here.   

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Reply #20 - May 21st, 2008 at 7:45am
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Swede's post #11 states it was re barreled to 458x1 1/2
  
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Reply #21 - May 21st, 2008 at 2:55pm
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I still looks a little wierd to me.  I can't imagine any cartridge, belted, rimmed or rimless that would have a shoulder that far forward in the chamber.  The gun almost looks like it was some kind of mule since the barrel is in the white and it appears there was no concern about indexing to the drilled and tapped sight (or scope base) holes in the top of the barrel.  Maybe it was blown up intentionally in some kind of test.  It's just hard to image the cartridge that fit that chamber.  I'm trying to imagine what the extractor configuration was also.  Terry
  
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Re: Remington Rolling Block Failure
Reply #22 - May 21st, 2008 at 3:40pm
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Look carefully at the breech of the barrel.  It has two scallops on the bottom, what looks to be about 1/6 turn out of sync.  As though the barrel was fitted, the sight holes drilled to match, and then the barrel was set back about 1/6 turn...to correct headspace?  If the .458-1 1/2" is based on the .375 H&H case, the deep recess is for the belt to affect headspacing.   

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Re: Remington Rolling Block Failure
Reply #23 - May 21st, 2008 at 5:15pm
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The whole thing looks queersome to me.   Undecided   Dont know what to beleive . Like where's the extractor slot?  Fishy,  Big fishy.

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Re: Remington Rolling Block Failure
Reply #24 - May 21st, 2008 at 8:31pm
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Interesting. 

Esp. the lack of finish work on the barrel and the setback of it, without extractor. 

Dunno.

Would have to find the first guy to post those pictures and get the full story, to know the truth of it.

Test mule, and destructive testing, both seem to fit better than Joe Average having a range day with a ill-advised conversion.

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Reply #25 - May 21st, 2008 at 9:01pm
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Bottom line, it was chambered for something it was never intended to shoot. Could and probably would happen to any of the old singleshots under same circumstances. Jerry
  
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Reply #26 - May 22nd, 2008 at 8:25am
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On the Yahoo groups for rolling blocks, some pictures were posted a while back of one in which the bulk of the breech blew back into the shooter's head, killing him. It was likely an overload. It appeared to me the breech's ring (about its pin) failed in front; then the breech rolled back over the hammer nose; this ripped it away from the rear of the breech's ring; and finally it flew rearward.

  
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Re: Remington Rolling Block Failure
Reply #27 - May 22nd, 2008 at 9:42am
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Hello! here I am again!  Smiley

There was a young swede that died last year when a roller bursted, here is a link where there is some more information:

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Regarding the pictures I showed earlier in this thead,
I don't have much more information than I've already written.
I think it was used as a test rig in some kind of way, and the headspace have been changed some times as can bee seen.
Maybe they wanted to see at what load it would burst??
Se this as a picture that will show how it can give away when abused...
  
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Reply #28 - May 27th, 2008 at 10:29pm
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I believe he said it was chambered for the .458 x 1.5
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 12:03am
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I am not a gun smiith by any means, but I have played with guns for all my adult life, and that barrel is chambered for a belted case, which tells me, it was some sort of Magnum cartidge! I had a chance here a while back to buy 4000 44 mag rounds, the gentleman informed me they were loaded with 24 grains of 2400, right off the bat, I said no thanks, I might be wrong, but I have never seen a manual show anywhere near that charge! i believe, this wasn't the action fault!
Just my 2 cents.
ACE
  
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