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Re: Help with Ballar Id
Reply #15 - Aug 21st, 2007 at 7:54am
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Mike,
I can't in full confidence answer that question, but I am sure someone else will. What I do know is at the N-SSA, where I shoot a lot, several guys shot the old civil war era ballards. To meet the rules they have to be converted to centerfire BB with a retractable firing pin. In talking with some of the guys and a couple people who are approved to convert them, they measure the bore to determine if the gun will become a 45 colt or a 44. We can ONLY shoot black powder. There are many reports of these guns cracking the frame after several hundred rounds, some never do it, some sooner. Keep in mind these are all pre marlin ballards with external tangs. Ball, Ball & Williams, etc. But they are cast actions. I have an original Ball Merwin & Bray that is not converted and won't be. It is in the .44 rinfire it was designed to shoot and I shoot it from time to time and have never had a problem. I suspect my loads are on the light side. I love to shoot it but have never shot it in anykind of competition.
I have heard of guys putting 38-55 barrels on the old Merwin Bray actions and not having a problem. Personaly, I think it is a horrible idea. If a .45 colt loaded with black powder can crack an action, I am quite sure a 38-55 could.
Just be careful, maybe one of the gunsmiths on this forum can look at them for you once you get them and tell you your best options. Some of these guys REALLY know ballards and what they can and can't do. 
Stating the obvious here, 1st, take care to not damage yourself, 2nd, becareful to not damage such fine old rifles.
I hope to see you get them shooting, it's a shame when an old rifle isn't shot, just my opinion!
MerwinBray
P.S. the MerwinBray name by NO MEANS make me an expert, it is just a name I choose becaused of my interest in the original ballards and that companys history and dealings in the Great COnflict.
  

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Re: Help with Ballar Id
Reply #16 - Aug 21st, 2007 at 3:08pm
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Could it be a deluxe 3F Fine Gallery? They had a cast action and pistol grip. Duchers book has it in chapter 14. But the photos I have show the top flat of the action "flat" not concave the the 3f?

Mental Note - Need to get one of those books to keep the bug going.

There weren't many pistol grip versions in the cast action. Should be simple....like shooting a 250 or getting a hole-in-one.

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Reply #17 - Aug 21st, 2007 at 6:06pm
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Mike,
you are right. IDing a gun is simple! I shoot 250's all the time! Just google it!
( I WISH! )
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Reply #18 - Aug 21st, 2007 at 10:25pm
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As M&B mentioned there were Ballards made in calibers that were larger, and they eventually shot loose, even with BP! The #2 was also made in .44-40 and I have one in .44 Ballard XL. These #2 actions can shoot loose even with BP, so I wouldn't push a .32-40 with smokeless. 
Additionally, the .32-40 in a Ballard can sometimes be a .32 Long barrel that was rechambered to .32-40, which will compound the problem since that bore is only about .312, anda .32-40 bullet could really create pressure, even with BP! I've seen a few of these #2 actions rechamberd this way, and it really gives me chills!
If you shoot this gun with even BP, be very sure to check the bore diameter, and size your bullets accordingly!
Not all Ballard #3 or 3F were concave tops. The early #3 and 3F's were flat top actions.
  
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Reply #19 - Aug 21st, 2007 at 10:45pm
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I sure don't claim to be a Ballard expert, but I have what I believe is a very nice #3 that has a flat top.  I wish it had a concave one.  It is, and always has been a .22.

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Re: Help with Ballar Id
Reply #20 - Aug 22nd, 2007 at 9:37pm
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I have a number 3 that looks like it started as a flat top but someone put a slight groove in it and it is slightly offset. I think they cut the groove lined up with their sight picture and that is why it is not centered. Just a guess. This gun has matching numbers on the block and reciever, the barrel is from a lower # and relined. It has been abused over the years but locks up tight.
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Re: Help with Ballar Id
Reply #21 - Oct 10th, 2007 at 11:37pm
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Get my 2 cents in also. Having been a long time collecter of Ballards, I would suggest that you have a #3 action with #6 1/2 wood and buttplate. I bet if  you looked under the forearm at the back, you would see a relief cut for the bottom lug of a Rigby barrel. Also note a quick look at the firing pin: If its round its centerfire, if its flat its rimfire/centerfire, if no screw to hold same its a .22rf. Smiley Don
  
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