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JerryW Participating Member Offline Posts: 46 Location: Jackson, CA Joined: Jun 4^th, 2006	iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd target May 14^th, 2007 at 7:26pm	Print Post
	My 73 year old eyes see a red fuzz ball with the sights I use now. Anyone have any words of wisdom on what works for them? Thenks. JerryW


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Jim_Borton Global Moderator Offline Posts: 449 Location: Tipp City Joined: Apr 9^th, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #1 - May 14^th, 2007 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Turn the target over and shoot the black side, works for me!!

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2135 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #2 - May 14^th, 2007 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	You didn't say what size rear apreture you're using. As we get older we need to use a larger rear apreture. We all have a tendency to want to use the smallest apreture available, however in a match of any length it's better to use a larger one 'cause your eyes will become strained and won't focus properly causing you to see a fuzzy bulls eye, also you can shoot just as well with the larger apreture. Bob


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Brent Ex Member	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #3 - May 14^th, 2007 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	Switch to the National Muzzle Rifle Associations 200 yd target. It is dark red - much better than the ASSRA orange. You can see bullet holes just fine too. It is a standard 25 ring target identical to the ASSRA's otherwise. Brent


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Irascible Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 279 Location: Pleasant Valley Joined: Apr 6^th, 2007	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #4 - May 15^th, 2007 at 12:47am	Print Post
	Hmm, Darker red may work. I use the black side and it is a Bit** seeing the holes even at 100yds. I have been doing some work with the blue targets printed by Handloader magazine and they seem to work great at 100yds. Much better than the orange. If you can find a Hadley eyecup to match the threads on your rear sight they really help in finding just the right rear aperture size.


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1894 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #5 - May 15^th, 2007 at 9:30am	Print Post
	Larger front is always better. ISU recommends the front apprature should be double the size of the bull should (half to a side). Adjustable rear to adjust for the light condition always improves the ability to see it. I like to use a green filter on the rear sight and a eagle eye in the front when possible (When Legal). The green filter will make the red appear darker and the eagle eye will give you a bigger picture. This is my set up and works as well as I have found for Red or Orange targets.


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JerryW Participating Member Offline Posts: 46 Location: Jackson, CA Joined: Jun 4^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #6 - May 15^th, 2007 at 10:07am	Print Post
	Thanks for the input fellows. Modesto just has the red not the two sised targets. What is a eagle eye front sight? Thanks. JerryW


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Brent Ex Member	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #7 - May 15^th, 2007 at 11:02am	Print Post
	I should have added that the WSU 200 yds ring target is the same dark red as the NMLRA. The WSU is on white paper while the NMLRA target is on beige Brent


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1894 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #8 - May 15^th, 2007 at 4:24pm	Print Post
	Eagle eye is a brand of lens that goes in the front sight. they are anywhere from a .5 to 1.5 mag. Sinclair has the best price but they only make them for certain size sights 18mm and 22mm that I've found. They carry Gehman and I think Anschutz brand.


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hst Oldtimer Offline Posts: 569 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #9 - May 15^th, 2007 at 6:26pm	Print Post
	Gentlemens: Is a colored filter legal in ASSRA competition? How bout the ISSA and WSA? Glenn


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Jim_Borton Global Moderator Offline Posts: 449 Location: Tipp City Joined: Apr 9^th, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #10 - May 15^th, 2007 at 6:52pm	Print Post
	legal In ASSRA

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boats Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7626 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #11 - May 15^th, 2007 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	Jerry It's not important for the bullseye to be sharp. It does have to be in the center. The way to go is to have large arpitures F & R allowing plenty of brightness, Sharp is overrated. It's just not required for good iron sight scores. Boats


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4118 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #12 - May 16^th, 2007 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Addendum to various suggestions to change targets...in a match, this is not always a permissible thing. I think hst's suggestion, OK'd by Jim, of a colored filter, is a good one. I would suggest taking the target you know you will need to see, using a variety of theatrical gels to find the best filter color, then get one from one of the camera companies in that color. JM $.02! Froggie


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hst Oldtimer Offline Posts: 569 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #13 - May 16^th, 2007 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Mr. Frog: Whilst I would like to take credit for actually having had a good idea, the filter thing was from bnice. My good ideas typically are not so practical. Mr. bnice, where do you get said green filter? Thanks! Glenn


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1894 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #14 - May 16^th, 2007 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	The color filters I use are part of my rear appreture but I know people who have made them from colored polycarbinate (good quality), you can buy colored lens for camera use, gehman sells colored lens and holders that slip over there rear apratures that may work for others. Also I hate to disagree with Boat's comment about the large front and rear and as bright as possible isn't quite right (sorry). You need to adjust the amount of light going into the eye to get the best picture (optimum light). You do that by varing the rear aprature. If you take a adjustable rear (example) and close it down until the image just goes darker. Then from that point open it up a click you will have the optimum amount of light. To much light can be just as bad as not enough. The front you want large enough (about double the bull) so your eye and brain can process the image. Your hold should keep the bull in veiw most of the time in the front aprature. If they are to close in size they fuse or blurr together. It is a lot easier for your brain to identify its centered with the larger ring of white. What I recommended is legal in ISSRA. Hope this helps.


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3sixbits Ex Member	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #15 - May 16^th, 2007 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	Before you jump through a bunch of hoops, you might want to read this article. It's cheap and might work for you? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1894 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #16 - May 16^th, 2007 at 3:54pm	Print Post
	That will work but there are a few problems. One it is you are stuck with one size fits all which you can do by changing the size of your rear fixed aprature. If the light is bright one day and cloudy the next you are not going to be getting the same benifit. The other is head position and alignment of the tape hole and sights. I think you will be moving your head all over the place. Plus glasses ussally are not great when shooting because you look through close to the frames which is the worst part of the glass. I have something like this for pistol and it works great, but for rifle I am a little sceptical.


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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #17 - May 16^th, 2007 at 7:54pm	Print Post
	I've used the pinhole aperture on my glasses for many years, with a Hadley-style variable aperture on a rotating disc. Works well for both rifle and pistol, for me. Takes a little care in positioning the attachment, but the increased visual acuity and apparent flattening of the focal plane is noticeable. For a higher-quality truly variable pinhole aperture, Merit makes an iris-type adjustable aperture with a suction cup for the glasses. A pin-hole aperture close to the eye has long been a holistic remedy for nearsightedness/myopia. I agree with Boats about bigger (aperture) is usually better, especially for long strings where shooter's eye fatigue becomes a major factor. Good luck, Joe


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7626 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #18 - May 17^th, 2007 at 6:03am	Print Post
	The Merit eyglass arputure works very well. I use on when shooting my Trapdoor in matches. Under the rules you can't alter the sights and have to use the Arsenal Blade front sight. It's not as good as a proper set of match sights with adjustable arputures front and rear. Boats


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3940 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #19 - May 17^th, 2007 at 6:59am	Print Post
	boats wrote on May 15^th, 2007 at 9:49pm: Jerry It's not important for the bullseye to be sharp. It does have to be in the center. The way to go is to have large arpitures F & R allowing plenty of brightness, Sharp is overrated. It's just not required for good iron sight scores. Boats RIGHT ON! When I was a kid my dad took me to a .22 match held at the college where he taught (put on by AFROTC). We used Remmington 514T's with peep sights front and rear. Even though I forgot my glasses (20:400) the officer said to just center that blur of a target in the blur of the front sight in the blur of the rear sight. I won a turkey! (Frozen of course)

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aross007 Participating Member Offline Posts: 24 Joined: Dec 10^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #20 - May 18^th, 2007 at 12:14am	Print Post
	Cat, At the ROTC turkey shoot I was at years ago, we shot one five bull target normal, and one target that we turned backwards - I shot a better score (and won a turkey) on the one where I couldn't see the bullseyes - just hung it the same, and concentrated on sight alignment. Alan


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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #21 - May 18^th, 2007 at 9:15am	Print Post
	Alan, that is an old target shooter's trick, and its purpose was to reveal exactly what you were concentrating upon, that is, sight alignment (with each other) and trigger squeeze. An experienced coach can tell, by the shape and position of the resulting group, where and how the shooter needs to correct his technique. I personally am not any kind of a coach but was fortunate enough to have had a good one in college, and saw him correct many flaws of mine and my fellow teammates merely by analyzing groups fired in this way. It works. Regards, Joe


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JerryW Participating Member Offline Posts: 46 Location: Jackson, CA Joined: Jun 4^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #22 - May 18^th, 2007 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	Thank's for all the different views. I had a good test day at Modesto yesterday and found 2 options that worked well for me. JerryW


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Brent Ex Member	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #23 - May 18^th, 2007 at 3:11pm	Print Post
	And they are?????


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JerryW Participating Member Offline Posts: 46 Location: Jackson, CA Joined: Jun 4^th, 2006	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #24 - May 20^th, 2007 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	A diopter front, iris rear, diopter rear were the two best looking note I say looking need range time. lso a merit rear with my olymoic front with different sized plastic circles needs more tests. Thank you all again. JerryW


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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: iron sight set up for red 25 ring 200 yd targe Reply #25 - May 20^th, 2007 at 5:23pm	Print Post
	For a front aperture I normally prefer a tinted plastic insert, like the ones that come in the selection with a new Lyman 17A, with the hole reamed out further, but these aren't legal in some matches. Managed to find a card with larger metal apertures, made by Ron Long as I recall, that were a big improvement over the Lyman steel apertures, but I still like the plastic ones better. The Ron Long aperture card contained at least two that were larger than the largest Lyman ones, and that was what I needed. Good luck, Joe


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