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mwhite4
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Ballard Recievers, Cast or Forged
Feb 27th, 2007 at 10:07am
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Hello, I have a general question about Ballard's. I had someone tell me that all Ballards with a three line address are cast recievers. Is this a for sure deal? I just saw a nice original untouched Ballard with a three line adress that sure looks like a forged reciver to me. It is marked 38 Long. What are some of the finer points in telling them apart?
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Re: Ballard Recievers, Cast or Forged
Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 12:30pm
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I think the only way to be sure if a Ballard frame is cast or forged is to remove the breachblock and examine the inside of the frame. A cast frame will have a rough pebbley looking surface and be hollow under the barrel shank area. A forged frame will show a smoother machined appearance and will be solid under the barrel shank area.

It is my understanding that a two line frame marking is usually found on forged frames and a three line frame marking is usually found on a cast frame but this is not true in all cases.

I hope this helps.

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Reply #2 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 9:39pm
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I have seen two line frames that weren't forged, but so far I haven't seen a three line that wasn't cast. As powderman said, it's never a for sure thing, but I'd expect if it has a three line address, it's likely cast.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2007 at 9:50am
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I just got offered a real nice Ballard with the trhree line adress in 38 XL all original except the forearm is an old replacement and the barrel is in half way decent shape for $375.00 Almost all of the metal has a cnice patina on it with little or no original finish left. Should I grab it or pass?
Sounds like a deal to me but I'm not sure.


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Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2007 at 10:04am
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Does it have set triggers?  If so, it would make a heck of a nice .22
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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2007 at 10:07am
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No set triggers ZI wish it did. My other Ballard with the forged reciver has set triggers and they are sure nice.
Thats the one I have the picture of showing. I just purchased it for $1500.00.
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Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2007 at 10:34pm
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You should pass on that Ballard, and pass it my way please! Wink Any forged action Ballard is worth $375 if it's complete, even if it didn't have a barrel!
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 9:10pm
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It's a cast reciever not forged. But it is an all original rifle except for the forearm. Being a cast reciver I'm not sure it's worth the money, but then again with price's always going up who knows.
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Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 10:06pm
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I'm still interested in that .38Long, if you want to pass it along! I'd be happy to hoard another #2 Ballard, even if it is a cast action!
Vall  marlinguy@juno.com
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 12:35am
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So, you think it's definatly worth the money then? You have been at this longer than I have, I'm sorta new to Ballards.
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Reply #10 - Mar 8th, 2007 at 10:45pm
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Nope, not worth it. Just pass it along and I'll somehow find a way to live with it anyway! Wink
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 9:59am
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OK, I finaly got the hint. I call and get it. Some one said I could use .357 mag shells in it so it will be cheap to reload for.
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Reply #12 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:02am
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I almost forgot, he also has a Stevens model 44 1/2 in 25-20 SS all matching numbers, half oct/round barrel that is nice condition., The barrel has been reblued but whoever did it saved all of the Stevens markings and did not buff them out. He even has a Lyman 310 tool for it and some ammo for $400.00.
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Reply #13 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:28am
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Where oh where do people find these kind of deals? I've never in my life been offered a deal that sweet!
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:28am
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Mike, you have a PM!

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Reply #15 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 11:31am
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OK , What's a Pm?
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 6:52pm
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PM= Private Message  One of the features of this board is the ability to send private messages between members.  If you log in you should see a banner at the top of the page telling you how many messages you have.  Click on "messages" and they will display.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:19pm
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Please stop! You're killing us! Wink Why not just buy everything the guy has in the way of single shot rifles? Sounds like they're all way too cheap!
Yes, you can use .357 cases to make a .38 Long, but a .38 Special case works better, as it requires no trimming. BUT! You can't use the same bullets! The .38 Long is a heeled bullet, and larger above the case than a .357" bullet. You can get by with hollow base wadcutters, as they'll usually bump the base up to fill the bores. Best to get the correct mold and cast the heeled bullets. I use a Lyman mold for a 160 gr. bullet that is the correct heeled bullet, and works great!
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Reply #18 - Mar 12th, 2007 at 9:41am
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Well, I did find out that the same guy has also a stevens favorite in 25 rimfire, and a rolling block carbine in .43 spanish that he has been shooting, he told me he will let the rolling block go cheap as he knows its not a collectable! What's that saying, ones mans junk is all of our treasures. I need to get the price on that rolling block from him.
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Reply #19 - Mar 17th, 2007 at 3:21pm
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For a .22 plinker a cast action might be better - would imagine it weighs a big less.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 17th, 2007 at 4:39pm
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Yes, a cast action is slightly lighter, but not sure if a person could even feel the difference, as it would just be ounces from the hollow under the barrel.
The best Ballard action for a .22 rimfire is the #3 action, which by chance is cast, but it has the special extractor made to extract .22 cases without problems. The others extractors can be reworked to use in a .22 rimfire, but can be a pain at times when the case slips under the extractor, or doesn't pull it far enough out to grasp.
The #3 extractor is a plunger style, which moves straight back giving positive extraction every time.
  
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Re: Ballard Recievers, Cast or Forged
Reply #21 - Oct 10th, 2007 at 11:46pm
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You can use 357 maximum in the 38 xl its soooo close to being right. Be aware that the early Marlin Ballard actions were all cast and did have the bottom under the barrel solid. Thats why one should be apprensive about recoloring an early Marlin as there is a lot of slag in the receiver and it will open up.
  
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Re: Ballard Recievers, Cast or Forged
Reply #22 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 1:54am
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The Ballards with the 3 line address used a reversable firing pin for rim or centerfire cartridges. That's the 3rd line patent. 97 1/2 percent of the 3 line rifles were cast. Occasionally a forged receiver will be found with this marking. Did the factory run short on cast receivers and grab a forged one? Who knows? Most engraved Ballards use a forged receiver even on the .22 rifles. I've worked on dozens of 'em in 50 years  R.B.
  
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