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Research Project in the works.
Feb 26th, 2007 at 6:27pm
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All are welcome for input on a research project I’m working on. As time allows and if there is enough feedback I’ll add more information and I hope some interesting pictures.

Please look at the rifle Colonel John Bodine is holding, a Remington rolling block and tell me what you see that is different about this rifle as apposed to others of the day. The picture is a wood cut just scanned from an original Harper’s Weekly of July, 1875. The artist added an extra cross-pin so a lot of the detail was the doing of the artist.  Does anyone know where the original picture is today?


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Reply #1 - Feb 26th, 2007 at 8:23pm
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Michael:

Are we looking for the old lady inside the doorway again?

I don't know what to make of it all as the artist has taken liberties with the rifle. Things I see (other than the extra hammer pin) is the orientation of the pistol grip checkering, the tear drop shape of the pistol grip cap, and the shark gill slits behind the pistol grip. One thing that would be odd if it were true is the barrel looks like it may be round.

Wanna give us a hint?

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Reply #2 - Feb 26th, 2007 at 8:37pm
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The forestock tip is different. Doesnt look like a metal tip. Why didnt they use a 35MM ?   

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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2007 at 9:32pm
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How about the Ilion Gulch collar?  

So, how many days did these guys sit there posing for the woodcutter?

By the by, is this the famous Bodine Roller that was sold a few (6-8?) years back?  We got some bullets out of the case that came with that rifle and were investigating bullet diameter/bore diameter relations back then.

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Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 1:07am
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How about the Ilion Gulch collar?   

So, how many days did these guys sit there posing for the woodcutter?

By the by, is this the famous Bodine Roller that was sold a few (6-8?) years back?  We got some bullets out of the case that came with that rifle and were investigating bullet diameter/bore diameter relations back then.

Brent

I’m not sure I remember the Bodine Remington, can you give me some more info?
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 1:24am
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The one thing that I would like to find is the original photo the woodcut was made from.
Until then I would like to learn about ANY Bodine rifles and submit pictures of a rifle for discussion. 
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This rifle has a 34” round barrel caliber .44-77
Has an un-checkered forend with a hard rubber forend tip.
Has no patent date on the side but on the top flat, the rest of the action is contoured to the barrel.
There is no assembly number or serial number.
The barrel is marked L.L. Hepburn four times under the forend
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 1:30am
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The rear sight staff is likely a replacement and not original to the rifle.
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Reply #7 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 7:50am
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Very Cool rifle!  Michael, is there any way you could post a couple more pictures of the carving on the pistol grip?  I'd very much like to replicate that on the next roller I build.

Greg
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 8:37am
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Michael, 
A while back - again, I'm not sure how far back, there was a cased rifle that was supposed to be Bodine's with provenance.  Included in the case were bullets and perhaps a mould.  .44-77 may well have been the caliber.  Anyway, I was far more interested in the bullet:bore fit that I was in anything else about the rifle.  And, I never saw the actual gun myself, nor was I told who had it.  Now I believe you may be holding it in your hands.   

I'm sure that several of the folks that were involved with that rifle and the bullet:bore discussions back then will probably contact you.  If not, I may have a lead for you.  You will be on a tiger chase in that case - but that is the fun of research, no?

What can you tell us about the history of the rifle that you are showing?   

Brent
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 10:34am
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Very Cool rifle!  Michael, is there any way you could post a couple more pictures of the carving on the pistol grip?  I'd very much like to replicate that on the next roller I build.

Greg



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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2007 at 10:34am
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Michael, 
A while back - again, I'm not sure how far back, there was a cased rifle that was supposed to be Bodine's with provenance.  Included in the case were bullets and perhaps a mould.  .44-77 may well have been the caliber.  Anyway, I was far more interested in the bullet:bore fit that I was in anything else about the rifle.  And, I never saw the actual gun myself, nor was I told who had it.  Now I believe you may be holding it in your hands.   

I'm sure that several of the folks that were involved with that rifle and the bullet:bore discussions back then will probably contact you.  If not, I may have a lead for you.  You will be on a tiger chase in that case - but that is the fun of research, no?

What can you tell us about the history of the rifle that you are showing?   

Brent

It’s research from scratch, there is no history (provenance) on the rifle.  There is speculation that this is the same rifle seen in the picture but there is nothing concrete. Bodine’s Borchardt sold at the John Amber auction and it has an identical Remington 34” barrel and forearm.  I was told that Bodine’s firearms were sold by the family circa WWI so there may be a record, an article in a magazine or book.  I’m doing this with the idea that more information might come to light before I write about the rifle.   
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Reply #11 - Mar 1st, 2007 at 3:09pm
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Seems like the Amber-Borchardt and the cased Bodine rifle the bullets came from are one and the same.  Anyone have an opinion one way or the other about this rifle?
  
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