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J.M. Marlin Ballard question
Feb 24th, 2007 at 7:18pm
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I have J.M. Marlin Ballard that has a puzzling configuration.  It has a forged frame with a ring type lever for set triggers (like the 1-3/4 Far West), but with a single trigger.  The barrel is marked 'No.44' with a '2' adjacent to the receiver and has faded bluing turning brown (the rifling is excellent).  The chamber conforms to 44 Extra Long Rimfire & the breech block has the dual firing pin.  The barrel has an 'L' rear sight marked 100, 250 & 500 YDS (still nicely blued) and the front is a Beecher Combination sight.
The barrel and forend stock are set up for the external manual extractor, but the frame has the internal extractor.  The frame serial number is 99XX.  The forend has the pre-Marlin steel nosecap with what appears to have faded case colors. The breechblock & hammer still show case colors, the hammer has a later type short spur.

Is this a rifle assembled from parts - a basic 'frankenballard'?  George Layman's book says they used left over parts during the beginning of the Marlin period, but this is strange.  Any thought would be appreciated.   Embarrassed   Thanks, Mike
  
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Re: J.M. Marlin Ballard question
Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 7:51pm
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Mike,

     Sounds like an interesting one!  I'm thinking maybe a very early 1 1/2 if it left the factory as you see it now.  Does the barrel and/pr the fore end have a serial number?  They should, and if they are original to the rifle these numbers should match the ones on the receiver, block halves, butt stock (under the plate) and the butt plate.  some of the internal parts of the block (such as the hammer f'rinstance, will share that number in a righteous original.  Does the serial number of the reciever place it in VERY early production?  That's the only time the other stuff SHOULD have happened, but who knows?  Regardless, it IS unusual to see a forged action being used that early, I believe, and on a caliber of that strength it is doubly unusual.

HTH, Froggie

PS, Is the ring-type lever shaped for the single trigger you have or is it the DST configuration?
  
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Re: J.M. Marlin Ballard question
Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 8:20pm
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Sounds like one of two possiblitites. Either pretty early, or put together from two guns. One a JM Marlin, and the other a pre-Marlin Ballard.
The ring lever was the second variation, which is very early, but not the earliest type, as the earliest type levers were those that turned back under, and had either a locating pin on the receiver, or just the hole for a pin. These early levers wer leftovers from Brown that Marlin used up. I have a #4 with such an arrangement, and they are referred to as first variations. The levers look like this:
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None of the JM Marlin marked guns that I know of had the No. 44 marking on the barrels. Some did have the early external extractors, but they did not have the internal automatic extractor in addition. If your barrel is marked No. 44 it's most likely a .44 rimfire chamber, which can also fire .44 centerfire with the reversible Ballard firing pin setup. 
If you pull the forearm off, you should find a serial number underneath matching the receiver, but only if it was made by JM Marlin. If it was a pre-Marlin barrel, the serial number will be visable above the wood on the side of the receiver, unless it was removed when installed.
Your lever most likely looks like this one on my #2 in .44Ballard XL.
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Re: J.M. Marlin Ballard question
Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 8:50pm
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This is looking more & more like the parts gun I though it was.  This Ballard has the ring lever for DST's, but the breech block has one trigger.  The forearm is stamped 243 and the buttstock is stamped 243 at the receiver socket end.  There is no serial number on the barrel.   

The barrel is drilled & tapped with 4 screw holes instead of 2, and is grooved for the external extractor as is the forearm.  The barrel length from muzzle to breech is 29.25".  The new screw holes in the bottom of the barrel (for attaching the forearm) are 3/4" closer to the muzzle than the original screws.  This looks like the barrel was setback 3/4" & rechambered.  The number '2' next to the receiver could be part of the '243' and was removed by setting the barrel back. The barrel is round also (forgot to mention it before).   

The receiver has no casting hole in the front part of the breechblock slot. Just took the breechblock apart and can't see any numbers on anything, including the hammer.  The extractor is stamped '42' and doesn't match the receiver.

To me it looks like an old pre-Marlin barrel, forearm and matching buttstock was attached to a forged receiver.  The ring lever for DST's confirms to me that it is a franken-ballard.  Undecided
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Reply #4 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 5:23pm
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Glad you figured it out Mike, but sorry it turned out to be what was suspected. Would have been neat to have turned out different!
  
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Re: J.M. Marlin Ballard question
Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 6:49pm
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Do you think it is possible to cobble the 44 extra long rimfire (centerfire version of course) case out of a 30-40 Krag or swedge a 44-40 Winchester down? My chamber is .456" @ neck and .462" @ base, throat appears to be .445", rim is .525". Looks like a bit of work for a pop-gun.
  
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Re: J.M. Marlin Ballard question
Reply #6 - Feb 26th, 2007 at 9:15pm
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Hi Mike,
I make my cases for my #2 in .44 Ballard Xl from .444 Marlin cases, but it takes a bit of work, and requires me to ream the necks once I shorten them. They have lots of metal above the rim, so they can be turned down to the proper size in that area.
The .44 Mag can be used also, but it's not quite as thick in the web area above the rim. 
Buffalo Arms sells cases already formed if you want to save yourself a lot of work.
  
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Re: J.M. Marlin Ballard question
Reply #7 - Oct 11th, 2007 at 12:11am
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The lever is an early lever used on a lot on single trigger models, even Rigbys. 40-63 and 45-70 were the only known calibers in the 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 and they were round barrel guns
  
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