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Smokeless in 25-20SS Maynard?
Jan 12th, 2007 at 7:17pm
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I have and old Maynard #2 gunsmith converted many, many moons ago, to centerfire. It is wearing what appears to be a # 16 barrel in 25-20SS with a nice bore. Is it safe to shoot this gun with light smokeless loads? I want to believe the gun is capable of some fine shooting, just trying to figure out how I want to approach it. I have no problem using black in it, but would like to shoot some smokeless if I can. 
One thing that concerns me is the size of the firing pin, it is fairly large.
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Re: Smokeless in 25-20SS Maynard?
Reply #1 - Jan 12th, 2007 at 11:31pm
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Jon,

     From my admittedly limited experience with Maynards, I would be concerned not just with the size of the firing pin (which is a significant factor) but also with its retention.  Just how was that gunsmith conversion accomplished?  The factory conversion was not as strong as a modern rifle, and I am not too sure what variations on the theme may have brought to the table in the way or strength either.  I'm too fond of my right eye to want to have it visited by a fast moving fragment of a firing pin assembly!  Shocked

    I think the original design of the conversion would probably handle .25-20 target loads in smokeless, but I would do a LOT of careful testing before I trusted my face behind it.  Have you tried it out yet with BP loads?  If not, I think that is where I would begin, then progress very gingerly toward light smokeless loads of perhaps 2400.   I do know that there have been some .25-20 SS shells made with large rifle primers...I saw a few at Etna Green a couple of years ago...but availability would obviously be a problem.  You might wish to contact Dave Casey about some specially turned cases that would include the large rifle primer, or you might make a new firing pin whose nose section is reduced while keeping a shank that fills the hole through the standing breech.   

     Just some random thoughts that are probably worth about what you paid for them, but I am very interested in this project and would love to hear how you progress with it.

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Re: Smokeless in 25-20SS Maynard?
Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 8:07am
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Froggie,
The firing pin appears to have a collar around it that is held in place by a cross screw. The srcew is bugered up and I have not been able to remove it and don't want to screw it up worse than it is. I can't determine if the collar is threaded into the action or simply held in with the cross screw. It seems the firing pin has a slot or notch in it that the same cross screw pases thru, thus holding the firing pin in place. 
If you are going to shoot at any of the Thurmont shoots this year let me know and I will bring it to look at. It is a work in progress, but I hope to be shooting it from time to time by the end of the year.
The large primer ideas seems like a sensible one, I hadn't thought of that. I will consider it. Thank you for the idea.
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Re: Smokeless in 25-20SS Maynard?
Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 11:54am
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Sounds like a plan, Jon.  I am desperately hoping to make it to at least a couple of the Thurmont matches.  Even with my scope problems on the second day, the one I attended this past year was one of the high points of my '06 shooting season.  In the meanwhile, if you feel like taking a few pictures showing the screw and collar arrangement as well as the breech face where the firing pin protrudes, I would be happy to try and analyze what we are working with.  You might wish to send them to me directly using "gfrog53ATyahoodotcom" (address properly edited of course.)  From your description, I am thinking that maybe that arrangement would be as strong as or even stronger than the original factory design, particularly if the collar is indeed threaded into the threads where the percussion nipple went.

BTW, I am building a .25-20 SS low-wall using an original smooth side receiver and a Green Mtn barrel, and already have a high-wall with what seems to be a late factory rebarrel in that caliber, so I have a lot of loading and casting stuff for this caliber if you need any help on those lines.  Stay in touch!

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Re: Smokeless in 25-20SS Maynard?
Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2007 at 1:28pm
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Merwinbray,

I have a Stevens 44-1/2  relined back to .25-20 SS with original rather large ovalized firing pin hole in breechblock which limits the pressures I can run it at.  I've had pretty good results with the 90-grain Ideal 25720 and either 8.5 gr of SR-4759 or 10.0 gr IMR-4198.  Also had good results with Ideal 257283 (87 gr) and 4.5 gr Unique, and 257420 (60 gr) and 10 gr Pyrodex RS. 

I don't think any current repro .25-20SS brass has the large primer pocket any more.  The only stuff I've seen that way was old WRA headstamp.  With the large primer pocket we have the .22 Hornet syndrome; just a little excess pressure against the thin web and the primers fall out.  The large primer does make the same powder/bullet loading go noticeably faster on the chronograph.  I would say that unless your firing pin is actually larger than the diameter of a Small Rifle primer (in which case, you would as well turn it down and rebush the breech face) it would not be worth chasing around after the old brass.
  
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