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Slick4k
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Types of actions
May 7th, 2006 at 8:15pm
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I'm sure this is a newbie question, but I need to do some research.
I know of most of the usual actions that traditional schuetzen rifles are built on and some of the modern ones too, but is there a list of the modern single shot actions that are legal to be used and a place to see pictures of them too? I am looking for something along the lines of a falling block action. 
Just for curiousitys' sake, how accurate is the 22 Hornet, or is it like whatever you shoot the most will be your most accurate caliber.
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Re: Types of actions
Reply #1 - May 7th, 2006 at 10:14pm
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The short answer is that any single shot action OTHER THAN a bolt action is legal for general use in ASSRA events...some specify certain restrictions, but this is not a general thing.  Any falling block action (since you mention them specifically) should fit the bill nicely.  The OTHER criterion is that the bullet must be lead alloy only without jacket or metallic gas check...what we refer to as a "plain base lead bullet."

As for the .22 Hornet, I will have to defer to others on that as I have never shot that caliber much and never attempted to load it with the plain base lead bullets which are required for ASSRA competition.  The smallest centerfires that are generally seen on the line are the "quarterbores" (.25 cals) including the .25 Hornet that some folks like our xxgrampa seem to like pretty well.  HTH and I am sure others will chime in on this as well.

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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2006 at 10:19pm
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The hornet Grin Grin Grin Grin.ben,very nice little cart. in some rifles under an inch.The k hornet seems to have an edge,little case stretch. Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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Re: Types of actions
Reply #3 - May 8th, 2006 at 7:10am
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Falling blocks, tipping blocks, sliding blocks, rolling blocks,pivoting actions, trapdoors, break-opens, and probably even more, as was said by the Frog, anything but the bolt action goes OK.

  Perhaps through your local library and its interlibrary loan service you can get some of the late Frank DeHasse's books on single shot actions.  There are several. I don;t know their titles, maybe somebody else can chime in here and list them.  they would probably give you as complete a listing along with mechanical descriptions and their pros-n-cons as anyone can find.  I have a recollection that his family is still selling them but I may be wrong about that.

I suspect that some of the reason you dont see too many of the calibres like the 22 hornet is that the lighter weight bullets are more subject to wind drift, the use of cast plain-based-bullets-only holds velocity down, and smaller cast bullets are just a whole lot more finicky about loads.  Most of the ASSRA shooters use some sort of Breech seating system (see the FAQ on the main page and other introductory material) andit is a whole lot easier to physically manipulate larger cases and bullets through the process. 

Maybe its also just because no one has really given it a real serious try.  After all there may be a bit of a unconscious residual knee-reflex reaction among dedicated Schuetzen "traditionalists" (perhaps an oxymoron) against varmint cartrdges due to the loudly lamented history of converting single shots into varmint rifles in previous generations.

There is no reason a 22 hornet could not work, provided that someone was willing to put the labor into it, knowing that the light bullets might restrict accuracy in anything other than dead calm conditions--or it'll help you learn wind reading skills quickly.

  If thats what you have, or thats what you want to explore, bring it and come shooting with us.  Most of us if we are honest are competing against ourselves anyway and a personal best, no matter what you are shooting, is a good feeling.  We shoot 22 rimfires at 200 yards in our regular matches and at 100 yrds in the 22 only matches (at Etna Green that is--other clubs have their own arrangements) so we know a slow 22 bullet, even with fixed ammo, can be shot well
  

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Reply #4 - May 8th, 2006 at 7:45am
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Thanks for your replies gentlemen. I do know of the De Haas books and Grants books too, but have not been able to afford them yet.
As for the Hornet, I just happen to like the caliber. I saw a CPA Stevens Schuetzen rifle built in this caliber and thought it would be nice.  I realize a 32-40 is the usual caliber for this sport. Maybe I should try a 22 WCF since I only know how to shoot black powder.
Thanks again for the help.
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Reply #5 - May 8th, 2006 at 7:52am
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P.S.    Also I was looking for specific actions, like a Hock or a Peregrine or a Clerke.
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Re: Types of actions
Reply #6 - May 8th, 2006 at 7:24pm
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Slick4k- all three of those actions are great- but out of production. Suitable new stuff available are: Dehaas-Miller ($$$$), Winchester/Brownings (rebarrel at least), Winchester repros (Meacham, Ballard, etc., plus the Italians), Ruger #1, and the CPA's. The CPA's are probably the best bang for the buck unless you can do you own barrel fitting, etc.
  

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Reply #7 - May 8th, 2006 at 8:37pm
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If all I had was a Hornet, I'd give it a try, albeit with a heavier than standard-weight bullet (60 gr.+) and possibly of a harder alloy. Shootin something is better thtan not shootin!
  
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