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Bench Shooting Styles
May 5th, 2006 at 6:16pm
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I concentrate at being a BPCR and LR shooter  Wink buttt, I do have a high wall in 32-40 that I play with  Smiley so!!  To start, I have been reading and rereading the articles by Harvey Donaldson in the last journal and have wondered about the early shooting styles noted in the articles.  Primarily, the fact that they rested the ends of the barrels near the muzzle like we do in BPCR and LR rather than shooting off the forearm .  Look at the picture on pg. 70.  Then I look at pg. 22 and there is Mr. McGee's beautiful Perigrine with the wide flat forearm that he had made to improve his bench shooting.  Why was the early style of shooting abandoned even though they seem to punch tiny little holes in the paper and why have most people moved to shooting with the rest under the forarm??  Can the rifles of today shoot better this way than those of yesteryear?  I also have another question and will put it on another thread.  P.S.  when are you going to move Etna Green closer to MN. Grin
  
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Re: Bench Shooting Styles
Reply #1 - May 5th, 2006 at 8:28pm
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OK, I'm by no means an expert at modern or traditional benchrest with the cast bullet rifle (although I have beat Dale a time or two with MY Peregrine when I was having a good day  Wink  ) What I have found is that a rest technique that puts the bag/support under a floating fore end so that the barrel can move freely in its harmonics (or what ever you call the vibration during a shot) makes for better groups and more predictable shot placement. Why didn't the shooters of the Golden Age do it that way?  Maybe they never thought of it!  Anyway, I believe our own Jim Borton rests his rifle's fore end on the bag and since he has the current record smallest group, I'd say that seems to work (for him at least!)

JMHO, YMMV!
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Reply #2 - May 5th, 2006 at 8:56pm
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Like a lot of other things, its techno-evolutionary.  Donaldson was using a lot of powders that have gone by the wayside, powders too.  Benchrest shooting was simply a tool for evaluating loads back then.  the "real" sport was in the offhand shooting and most of the offhand shooters looked askance or worse at anyone who got "too involved" in benchrest shooting. 

However the technophiles continued to research and develop things and over the years benchrest shooting has developed into its own niche in the world of shooting sports.  (There are probably many more competetive benchrest shooters now than guys still preserving the offhand schuetzen tradition.)  the benchrest shooters have uncovered and discovered much that has spilled over into making all of us more accurate shooters---or at least  making our arms and ammo capable of being more accurate.  learning about barrel harmonics and better fore end rests and handling technique being just part of the package.

At Etna Green I have seen a few rifles with the early style "sleds" clamped to barrels, but being rested on modern adjustable bench rests.
  

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Re: Bench Shooting Styles
Reply #3 - May 5th, 2006 at 10:57pm
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Up until a little thing like a triple bypass sidelined me last week, I've been playing with traditional and traditional style modern rifles (mostly Martini and my Ruger No. 3), with OH stocks and slender forends.  On the avergage, with this style of rifle, I've gotten my best groups with the barrel resting on the front bag, the forend lightly touching the rear of the bag, and almost no pressure on the wrist, cheek or buttplate.  Modern rifles with wide forends and parallel-to-bore toe lines do seem to give better results...but for myself, if I want a rifle to look like a modern bechrest bolt rifle with a two piece stock, that's what I'll build.  For the most part, I can't afford the original rifles/true reproductions of them, but my personal desire is to use a rifle as close as I can build to the original 1900-era Schuetzens...if because of that, I can only be shown in the results bulletin as "also shooting was...", well, that's the way it works!

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Re: Bench Shooting Styles
Reply #4 - May 6th, 2006 at 7:31am
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Dave that is "fer shure" !   when I was shooting my browning 22rf low wall; the biggest thing that tightend my bench groups (after settling on ammunition) was whittling out a somewhat wider flatter forend.  Splinter forends, thin sporting stocks, let alone schuetzen style ones, are just not conducive to maximum bench accuracy.  I tried resting the barrel on the bags and it helped some but positionng was critical and the round barrel and thin stock was a pretty tippy combination.  I asusme thats why the old-times came up with those clamp on muzzle rests.  someday I'll have to get one and experiment with them on my old BSA.

The full-blown single shot bench gun with a max. allowable flat slab forend and flat bottom stock will be more accurate and a better ammo tester any day.  I guess that is one of those real personal judgement things and one of the attractions of our sport that we have a lot of latitude in what we decide.  Some enjoy the challenge of shooting their best possible with equipment that is more traditional in appearance, some respond to the challenge of ultimate accuracy and pushing the envelope (within the rules, of course).  I enjoy the challenge of the bench a lot, but my personal approach is that I want any gun I'm shooting to be capable of taking into the field or the woods
  

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Re: Bench Shooting Styles
Reply #5 - May 6th, 2006 at 8:56am
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I use a muzzle clamp from the bench much of the time, with a flat bench rest. About 6" from the muzzle. Works great, makes the gun much easier to control.
joe b.
  
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