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Re: building actions
Reply #15 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 9:38pm
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Gentlemens:

Find some clever way to set up the action in the lathe so the block mortise is as square and perpendicular as possible.  Now bore the hole for the barrel threads. This hole should be finished with a single point tool so you know it is true to your setup. 

It would be best to single point the thread,  but you can use a tap if you are careful to start it true. In the same setup, face off the action face true to the barrel threads.

Next you should turn a piece of round stock into a barrel stub. Cut the thread to a square shoulder (like a barrel would be fit) to fit the action threads and, without removing the piece,  turn a straight section on the barrel stub that is true to the threads.


Glenn Fewless




Glenn,
  That thing would be fun to set upo in my lathe..  Undecided How about setting it up in the mill with a boring head to bore the hole & then tap the barrel threads with it set up.  The stub could then be used to true the face up in the lathe and the other operations and refernces you mentioned?
Paul,  I saw a price of $180 for the Cole castings.  Is that still what he gets?
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Reply #16 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 10:12pm
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Hmm.. yeah, those action tangs are gonna make facing, boring, and threading on the lathe more than a little challenging...

I was thinking of setting it up in the mill, indicating the mortice surface, and facing the action face.. maybe use a boring head to true the barrel hole.  I was thinking about making a piloted tap of some sort...

I'll certainly be re-examining the process a few dozen times before I make any chips though!

Brayhaven;
Yup... $180 plus shipping. I think he mentioned that he only had a couple Cole's on the shelf and it might be a few months before another production run.  So if you're thinking along the DS Cole line, I'd try giving him a call.

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Re: building actions
Reply #17 - Apr 12th, 2006 at 1:22am
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Gentlemens:

Setting the castings up in a mill is certainly an option. There are a lot of ways to get the same place. If you want to do this in a mill and want a piloted tap, you could tack weld a block onto the action face before setting it up to bore. Drill and bore through the block (say about 1" thick) and action to the minor diameter. Then bore through the added on block to the major diameter down to the action face. This will provide an external pilot for the tap.

One way to make the setup in a lathe is to clamp a angle plate to a face plate on the spindle and clamp the action to the angle plate. This requites a bit of messing around but it is an option. The advantage of doing this in a lathe is that you can get by without the tap.



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Reply #18 - Apr 20th, 2006 at 3:25pm
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I would suggest that before boring the hole for the threaded part of the barrel, you finish off the breech block slot first if it is a 'vertical' sliding breech block. In this way you can make a reference for barrel boring. I would suggest setting the action up in a milling machine so that the breech block mortice is exactly horizontal by using a dial test indicator. Then machine the front end surface of the action so that it is exactly parallell to the breech block. This  may only need a few thousandths of an inch removing. Once that is done, locate the precise centre for the barrel and bore out the hole for the barrel threads. 

At least then, you are assured that the breech block and the barrel are at 90 degrees to each other.

In making any action, I would suggest you obtain as many pictures or drawings as possible from any source, or better still, find someone who has that particular rifle and strip it down to have a 'good look see'.

You can't have enough information when building a copy of a rifle. If you can get your hands on an original that you want to copy all the better, you can take very accurate measurements, and the more you take the better your rifle will be.

I have, in my small workshop, several blocks of steel in various sizes along with a supply of metal rod in various diametres. There's a couple of Sharps Borchardt Rifles lurking within these metal blocks. All I need is the accurate dimensions to carve away the scrap material. 

I'm still pestering people for information.

Remember the 'Golden Rule' of Engineering. There are thousands of tools that will remove metal, but very few that will put metal on again, if you've goofed.

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Harry
  
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Reply #19 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 8:06pm
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I have a question somewhat related to this topic I hope some one can answer. I have a Ballard dbl set trigger breechblock casting set that I am about to hand finish. Who can do the final heat treating for me. I know little about this beyond hardening hammers, sears etc. with Kasenit and a torch. I would assume a breech block deserves a little more attention. Or, if I am wrong about that please let me know. 
By the way, what is Forntier Armories web site, sounds interesting?
Jon
  
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Reply #20 - May 1st, 2006 at 7:34am
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MerwinBray wrote on Apr 24th, 2006 at 8:06pm:
I have a question somewhat related to this topic I hope some one can answer. I have a Ballard dbl set trigger breechblock casting set that I am about to hand finish. Who can do the final heat treating for me. I know little about this beyond hardening hammers, sears etc. with Kasenit and a torch. I would assume a breech block deserves a little more attention. Or, if I am wrong about that please let me know. 
By the way, what is Forntier Armories web site, sounds interesting?
Jon


Hello Merwin, 

How you treat an action or breech block depends on what steel it was made from. A low carbon steel can be colour case hardened, other steels may require a different heat treatment process. 

I would contact your 'casting' supplier and ask him the steel specifications used in the castings and then go from there. Only a low carbon or mild steel can be colour case hardened. Unfortunately the steel specifications in the USA differ from those here in Britain so I cannot help you further.

Best find out what steel your castings are made of and then contact a good gunsmith and see what heat treatment he recommends.

Regards,

Harry

  
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