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chamber too tight
Mar 10th, 2006 at 5:37pm
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I'm working on a Stevens model 44 in 22 rimfire. I rebarreled it with a green mountain barrel. I cut the chamber with a match finish reamer and assembled the rifle. A loaded shell has to be pushed with the thumb the last .20 inch into the chamber, upon ejecting the empty, the ejector will pop it out about .20 inch then the shell needs to be pulled out with a pair of pliers.  Is there something that I can do about this condition?   

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Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 6:58pm
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nothing needs to be done, unless you want to re-chamber it for a regular .22 rimfire-you're chamber is "spot-on"-it's supposed to be made that way.My Stevens 44 was the same, but you can use the breechblock to "roll-up" againest the case and seat it that way.
  
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Re: chamber too tight
Reply #2 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 8:07pm
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I would look at using a "Bentz" type chamber reamer by either Clymer or Manson, available from Brownells.  These are "semi-auto match" reamers, and cut a shorter, tighter, chamber than the SAAMI standard, with a shorter throat, while still being looser than the SAAMI match chamber, which is intended for bolt action rifles.  I started using a Bentz reamer in my rimfire rifles including Martinis when I had a hard time chambering ammo in a match chamber and my kids had an impossible time!

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Re: chamber too tight
Reply #3 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 10:32pm
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John,

You said you used a match reamer to cut the chamber so having to push the shell the last .200" into the chamber is normal. If this aspect of the chamber dosn't bother you then it will give better accuracy than other chambers. If you would rather not push the shell so hard then recut the chamber with a Benz reamer as .38 cal. mentioned. 

You also said you had trouble extracting a fired round. This should not be happening even with a match chamber. A loaded round, yes, but not a fired one. I would suggest you check the chamber for roughness and either lightly polish it or recut the chamber. Did you use plenty of good quality cutting oil when you cut the chamber? 

The Stevens action only pulls the shell out the .200" but you should be able to flip the shell the rest of the way out with your fingertip. 

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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2006 at 2:16pm
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Thanks again you've saved my but again.This Forum is greatly apreciated no body knows how much by me.  I'm trying to get it right but there are glitches as you can see. Many thanks.

Sincerely

John
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2006 at 8:21pm
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Hi John,
I recently returned a Green Mountain Barrel blank to Brownells.  It was to go on my Lo Wall, but when I slugged it, I found a constriction in the chamber end of the barrel.  After the slug went in about 2 inches, it fell out the other end.  If I slugged it from the muzzle end, it was tight all the way through, but it only had rifling engraved on about a third of it's diameter and the remainder was smeared. 

A Brownell tech contacted Green Mountain for me and was told by them, "their barrels are meant to be chambered from the raw end, not the machined end even though you can clearly see feathers on the raw end of the barrel where the button was pulled through.  After chambering the raw end, you are then supposed to cut two inches off the muzzle end."

If you chambered a barrel in the traditional manner, which would be from the machined end, it is possible there are some internalized stresses in the metal which when they normalized constricted your chamber.

Hope this helps, just my two cents worth.  Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2006 at 8:40pm
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Russell,
I used a hole gage in both ends of my green mountain barrel and found the muzzle end to be big so I cut 2" from it then finished the chamber end and muzzle end and slugged both ends to a depth of 2" and run a slug all the way through both ends were vertually the same.  However pushing the slug through the barrel from the chamber there was an ever so slight tight spot about 10" from the muzzle. for what its worth. My blank was octagon 1.1" at chamber end and .960 at the finished muzzle end.

John

  
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2006 at 8:53pm
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Hi John,
My blank was purchased as a 1.1 round which arrived as a .920 round which I had intended to machine octagon with an intrigal rib.  Perhaps the round blanks are supplied differently than the octagon.  Anyhow  I am glad yours is good.
  
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Re: chamber too tight
Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 8:31am
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Let me post a strong warning. Always buy barrels directly from the manufacturer. Never buy them from a middleman. I know that Brownells, Midway and others are reputable dealers but the buy large lots of barrels at a time. If there is a flaw it is likly to be repeated through out the lot. This happened to a friend of mine with a barrel. The seller gladly replaced the barrel over and over again all with exactly the same problem. 
When you buy from the manufacturer and you identify a problem they will go back and check their work to make sure that it dosn't happen again. 

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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 12:16pm
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Generic 'match' chamber reamers are usually ground with a 5° leade angle. Current thinking is that this is too steep, with most using between 1.5 and 2°. Many are eliminating the taper from the body as well.

Easiest way to accomplish this is by purchasing a 'throater' with the leade angle of your choice. Diameter varies according to the groove dimensions of the barrel, with .225 being fairly common.

For more info on this, look up Bill Calfee's articles in Precision Shooting.

It's also best to adjust the chamber depth to suit the particular ammo used, or in your case, to achieve the most engraving of the bullet while keeping the chambering force reasonable. That may require cutting the rim recess separately.

For a single shot, I'd agree the Bentz reamer is probably the best choice for an off the shelf reamer.

And FWIW, I also have a GM blank from Brownells with a huge constriction at one end. That doesn't bother me, but it also has a lot of tool marks inside, which I could probably lap out except it's already too large on groove diameter. Might be good for a Hornet, but it's completely unusable for a decent rimfire. I wouldn't even waste my time installing it on a 10-22.

Like an old timer once told me, "junk you buy, junk you get".
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 3:15pm
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If it ain't right, send it back or call GM direct!  (603) 447-1095.

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Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 7:39pm
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Rick Sanborn is the name of 'The Man' at Green Mountain, he's the headmost honcho and I've found him to be most courteous and responsive, IF you can gittaholtuvim.
Good luck, let us know how you fare, Joe
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 10:48pm
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Gentlemen,
I decided to take a different route with my lo wall barrell.  I want a light trim carry around gun, so rather than going through all the work with a blank I won a new 10/22 barrell on e-bay last night, more correctly . . . my wife (the e-bay queen) did it for me   Grin  When I want something, I turn her loose and go back to the shop and make chips out of innocent metal.  Hopefully it will look okay, if not I merely turn the wife loose again.
  
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