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417 Stevens help
Mar 4th, 2006 at 7:00pm
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I have a stevens 417 Walnut Hill in 218 bee and originally was a 22 Hornet. The gentleman I got it from has shot factory W-W in it for years. I know there will be a clamor about the action not being strong enough for this cartridge and I was thinking of making a 25-20WCF out of it. The bore is fantastic and it seems almost sacraligiuos to drill it out and line it although the barrel is not good for anything else or is it? Opinions please. Should I just put a new 25 caliber tube on it? WHose barrel do you recommend and can I get another 28" heavy barrel that matches the one on it now? Thanks, moodyholler
  
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Re: 417 Stevens help
Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2006 at 8:08pm
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Moodyholler,

I would say that by the time you have the barrel rebored or relined, you would have most of the cost of a new barrel in it, and you wouldn't have the "original" barrel any more.  If you want a .25-20, I would advise you to get a new barrel and save the old one against the time you might want to sell the rifle.  There's not a lot of original Stevens factory rifling around any more, and no more will ever be made.

Alternately, why don't you load the .218 Bee cases down and use cast bullets?  I have a Stevens #44 that is relined and chambered for .22 WCF that I load down to black-powder velocities with smokeless and cast.

If I may ask, what kind of shape is the action in after all those Bees were shot in it?  Is the lever droopy and the pins loose?  Are the rear shoulders of breechblock or frame battered?  If the gun has stood up to all that pounding from all those factory loads, it must be pretty well fitted together.
  
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Re: 417 Stevens help
Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2006 at 8:18pm
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Moodyholler, why would you wish to go from .218 Bee to 
25-20 WCF? It is not as good a short range woodchuck caliber as the Bee. Lining that Barrel if it has a pristene bore would be throwing $$ away. If you are determined to change it just get a local Gunsmith to rebarrel it to whatever you want it to be and offer the barrel up for sale. Some one trying to restore a 417 would be glad to get it. You might even come out a little ahead on it. The other side would be to just takeoff the barrel and clean and Rig it and put it away. Some time in the future you may wish to sell the Rifle and having the original barrel even though rechambered would also be a plus. Make sure if you have some one work on it that you tell them you wish to save the barrel in its present condition for restoration. Some folks figure if you are going to rebarrel you must not value the barrel coming off and they just kind of go at it with a pipe wrench and make a mess out of it.  Just my thought
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2006 at 8:25pm
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Right now, I'm very frustrated with my fancy low wall in 25-20 WCF.  I've been taking all the steps & following all advice and about every 4th shot is a flyer.  So I would not put much $ in a 25-20 WCF barrel.  If the rifle was mine, I'd try to work out some light Hornet loads, maybe with .223 diameter bullets.  You don't need to shoot it at the advertised velocity and as a bonus, you can have most of the 25-20 WCF frustrations without the cash outlay.
  
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Re: 417 Stevens help
Reply #4 - Mar 7th, 2006 at 2:33pm
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Gentlemen, thanks for the replies. Action is still in very nice shape and I can supply pictures of it if needed. Still is very tight and has no drooping lever. Nor are the shoulders battered. I have fired it personally over a 100 times and then read about the dangers of 44 actions. Thought I might make it into something more forgiven. Will look for a 22 mold and try a few of the cast bullets in it. Thanks again, moodyholler
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 7th, 2006 at 8:31pm
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Not to be argumentative, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 25/20 WCF caliber. I have a Marlin lever action in 25/20 and it is a real consistent performer. It will consistently shoot "10's" on the NRA fifty yard target at fifty yards. It is a superlative squirrel rifle and will do fine work on groundhogs to a hundred yards. 

I use cast exclusively in my rifle (Lyman 257420 GC FP).

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Re: 417 Stevens help
Reply #6 - Mar 7th, 2006 at 10:37pm
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Friend Moodyholler
I'm thinking a really good gunsmith , who thinks outside the box, may be able to sleave that chamber and restore it to a Hornet. Suggest Dennis Olson, Plains, Mt., 406-826-3790, if that route is of interest to you. A Walnut Hill!!
  
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Re: 417 Stevens help
Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2006 at 11:42pm
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Moodyholler;
If you are happy with .22 centerfire, there is absolutely no reason to do anything to this barrel. Just don't load it as hot as a strong action would permit. Load it down a bit and enjoy it as is.

Just a suggestion...

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Reply #8 - Mar 8th, 2006 at 10:56am
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Seems to me that a lot would depend upon the accuracy of the existing barrel. A Hornet rechambered to a Bee would leave a significant amount of freebore because of the longer Hornet chamber, so how accurate is it at present? If it's accurate, why would you want to change? Just load down to wherever you feel comfortable and continue to march!

Seems to me that going from a Bee to a 25-20 would fall into the category of what we here in the South call "trading a turkey for a jaybird", i.e. spending assets to make a not-necessarily-helpful change.

After all, the two cartridges have exactly the same size case head, so the bolt thrust would be identical in both cases (pun intended, VBG) if loaded to the same pressure.
If it ain't broke then don't fix it, JMO, Joe

PS: BTW I've had absolutely zero success with finding an accurate 25-caliber load with today's 60-gr jacketed bullets, in several 14-twist barrels. The Speer 75-gr flat-nose and various 75- and 87-gr bullets seem to do much better in my rifles FWIW.
  
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Re: 417 Stevens help
Reply #9 - Mar 8th, 2006 at 6:06pm
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Joe;
I shoot cast bullets exclusively in the 25/20. I use the Lyman 257420 gc up to nearly 2200 fps with excellent accuracy. I also use a light squirrel load (4.0 grs Unique) with equal results. I have been a serious squirrel hunter most of my adult life and I believe the 25/20 is THE squirrel load for all riflemen.

YMMV
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