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Low wall extractor
Feb 17th, 2006 at 5:21pm
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And now the bad news

The extractor I had on order will not work.

Does anyone know where I can find an extractor for a Winchester Low wall 22LR?

Thanks in advance

Gary
  
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Re: Low wall extractor
Reply #1 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 6:12pm
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Gary:

Whaddaya mean it won't worK?

Glenn
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 6:27pm
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Hey Glenn

I called Ballard and the gal I talked to said it would work, I ordered it and it showed up.....

The lower part looks right but the upper portion is totally different.

Called Ballerd talked to a guy this time he said "yep, won't work"

Now I'm looking for another one

Gary
  
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Re: Low wall extractor
Reply #3 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 8:10pm
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Regarding the low-wall;
There are at least two extractors for low-walls. One is the original .22 extractor. The other is the center fire extractor. Many low-walls have been converted from centerfire to rimfire using the original style (centerfire) extractor. This tends to complicate things.

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Reply #4 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 8:27pm
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Mine is the original Dale that goes all the way across the bottom of the cartridge and up both sides

"U" shaped

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Re: Low wall extractor
Reply #5 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 12:39am
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Gary:

What happened to the old one? Seems you said it be broked. How broked?

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Reply #6 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 8:28am
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Hey Glenn

First of all, you know I am not a gunsmith, nor do I play one on TV Grin

This is the Low wall I showed you down at Effingham last year, pretty scarred up from rough handling but basically sound and tight, I have seen gravel roads that looked better than the inside of the barrel however.

After experimenting with relining, I had it rebarreled earlier this winter, and after getting it back and reassembling, I shot it about 20 times and the extractor broke right where the firing pin hits the extractor, (and it was smacking the extractor pretty good but I do not believe the firing pin was messed with(what do I know, see first sentence))

OK, the guy who rebarreled it just happened to have an extractor so I got out the Prussian blue and very carefully filed and sanded till I got the extractor to fit. 
Then according to what I was told I very carefully heat treated the new extractor (I have made several knives over the years so heat treating is not new to me) and was ready to start winning 22 silhouette matches, after firing for three times the new extractor broke right where the old one broke.

This is why I was so interested in the thread JDSteele had commented in regarding firing pin protrusion and then later about cases splitting in low wall 22's (before rebarreling, after firing the cases always had some bulging in the extractor area)

If I can find another extractor, I will fit it using JDSteele's method descibed in another thread, I will not heat treat it, and I will insure the firing pin no longer hits the extractor, If it happens again I will know the rifle is cursed and either have an exorcism performed or remove it from my presence permanently.

A simple low wall bought for a little bit of nothing should not be this much trouble.

What say you

Gary
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 11:38am
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Gary, please save your old broken extractors, I'll be happy to trade for or purchase them from you. Unfortunately I don't have a spare RF extractor to trade, that's why I want your broken ones. It's not difficult to convert the wall RF extractor to a single-finger configuration when relining or rebarreling, and I've been doing a lot of it lately.
Good luck with your new extractor, call if you have questions, regards, Joe
  
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Re: Low wall extractor
Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 1:01pm
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Gary:

Did the extractor snap in half or what? Is it something that can be repaired? Sounds like it is not supported very well against the barrel.

Do what Mr. Steele says on the firing pin. In fact, it is generally a good idea to do what Joe says on anything to do with singles shots. (except for the spare or broken Winchester parts thing, they should be sent to me.)  Wink

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Reply #9 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 2:33pm
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Yeah Glenn, they snapped in half right at the bottom of the "U" where the firing pin hit them.

I don't know if I can weld them back together or not but I am going to try it on one of them, the other one I think I'll take bids on Roll Eyes

I might try also to put some JB Weld or other product behind the extractor to insure it is supported. 

Another question is why would the firing pin be hitting the extractor so hard after rebarreling in the first place, I mean this was the original extractor on a flat spring Low wall so that thing had been in there a long time.

Oh well, I look at these as learning experiences, when I'm not frustrated that is ???
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 18th, 2006 at 4:37pm
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Gary:

You might maybe get away with silvering the two pieces back together if the break is clean.

When you do get an extractor back together, get out your prussian blue again and spot in back of the extractor. Concentrate on getting full contact at the center of the blade, particularly around the case rim so you have a good solid anvil. It be much better to have contact in the center and air on the sides than the other way around.  Check for burrs on the edges of the barrel face but concentrate you metal removal on the back of the extractor.

This and a proper length firing pin should go a long way towards making the world once again safe for democracy.

Glenn
  
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Re: Low wall extractor
Reply #11 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 8:32pm
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Gentlemen

An update on the extractor woes

After getting one of the extractors welded up, I again filed it to fit and then used a chamber reamer to finish it up.
I did not heat treat it.

I then started looking at the firing pin and it did have excessive protrusion (still smacking the extractor pretty good)and it was hitting the extractor below the rim of the cartridge. I have shortened the firing pin and filed off the bottom of it so it hits no lower than the bottom of the rim.

I have now fired it about 30 times and every thing is working great. I will let you know if it has any other developements.

Thanks Glenn and Mr. JDSteele, I much appreciate the advise and guidance

Gary
  
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