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Drilled/tapped holes in a Highwall barrel
Feb 12th, 2006 at 2:20pm
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Hello, all knowing, all seeing Highwall knowledge base!

I got my .32-40 #3 barrelled 1885 (1893 mfr) in - project underway. It arrived with a cutaway in the forend just ahead of the receiver measuring about 3.135" long by .25" down which exposes a row of 5 holes drilled in the left side barrel flat (the one perpendicular to the top). The c-t-c distance between the 1st and 5th holes is about 2.625". The 3 holes between them are spaced somewhat irregularly. They appear to be drilled 1/8" to varying depths. The forward most hole is .125" deep, the next is .095", the middle hole (centered between forward and rear most) is .125", next is .075", and rearmost (nearest the receiver) is .125" deep.

I don't have a thread gauge, so no guesses there.

Two questions - 
What did these holes serve?

Is my #3 octagon barrel materially weakened by them? I expect to shoot at pressures well below 40000 - am I going to be okay here? 

I expect to use a Lyman Targetspot and I can't imagine a use for these holes, so I expect to plug them and cover up with a replacement forend.

Any ideas/help/speculation ?

Thanks.

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Re: Drilled/tapped holes in a Highwall barrel
Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 3:17pm
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Just a WAG, but it would appear that your barrel was at one time fitted with a special mount that placed the scope off to the left of the bore line so that the rifle could also be used with its iron sights if desired.  I have seen some pictures and one actual high-wall rifle so equipped.  This is a possibility and my best guess, but of course, YMMV.   

HTH, Froggie

PS  Effect on strength?  Measure your exact hole depths and decide based on remaining steel...I wouldn't want the heel of my hand there if there is ANY question about strength!   Shocked
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 5:45pm
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Hole depths are accurate +/- .002. Barrel is a #3 full octagon. Seems to me same as if drilled and tapped on top. Just can't imagine a side mount, but someone out there will be particularly familiar.

Anyone?

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Re: Drilled/tapped holes in a Highwall barrel
Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 7:37pm
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P_M, I'll stand behind my original WAG (remember it's worth at least as much as you paid for it! Grin ) and further state that if the depths of all the screw holes are consistent with those normally found on top of the barrel, they should not be a problem safety-wise.  I saw the mount I am thinking of hanging on the wall at the Clark Bros. Gun Shop in Opal, VA as recently as last month.  It is part of their "house collection" and is not for sale, but if you wish maybe I can get a picture of it next time I go through.

Froggie

PS  Do ou have or have access to the Campbell books on the Winchester Single Shots?  I wouldn't swear to it, but I think there was a short mention of this mount type in one of them.   Undecided  GF
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2006 at 11:35pm
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In Campbells book, volume II, pages 214 & 215 describes an offset scope mount.  This one is mounted on the normal scope bases attached to the top of the barrel. The mount is then constructed in such a way as to move the scope off to the side. This is the only one I am aware of in either of his books.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 14th, 2006 at 11:12am
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Green & Cheap -
Thanks! I would really like to see a picture or diagram of the mount setup.

On another site, a guy suggested it might be for a loading block, but I've only seen those on smallbore match rifles. That wasn't the heritage of this gun, I can assure you.

Do either of you know who's doing a good job of Mann/Neidner high pressure firing pin modification? I don't have a mill anymore and I don't have any local contacts for the work.

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Re: Drilled/tapped holes in a Highwall barrel
Reply #6 - Feb 14th, 2006 at 2:55pm
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Not to be too nosy, but why do you want a Mann-Neidner firing pin?   ???  With a .32-40 and any normal loads that round would be likely to contain, even the old large firing pin would be fine, and the small pin late style would have plenty of strength.  I would hate to go to all the work of making and fitting the Mann-Neidner type conversion when it really isn't necessary.  BTW, one reason the original works so well is that it has positive retraction from the lever link...the Mann unit depends on the action of a spring.

If you are converting a rimfire block to centerfire, you can actually make and install a little bushing on a drill press if needed (and then I would set it up for the later, small pin firing pin if it were me.)  What part of the country are you located in?  There's bound to be somebody nearby who can help you out.

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Froggie

PS  As to the holes being for the mounting of a loading block, I had one musket that had two holes in the wood of the fore end for that purpose, but I have never seen anyone drill a barrel to mount their block...but shooters do strange things!  Roll Eyes
  
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