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Oxpho-Blue
Jan 24th, 2006 at 8:54pm
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I recieved a bottle of Oxpho-Blue from Brownell's today and tried it out on a few small sections of my trapdoor barrel.  It would NOT take to the reciever .  What is the fix?

Assumming I decide to use this product on the trapdoor, I would like a matt finish as opposed to a mirror smooth finish. I assume I can achieve a matt finish by using a coarse grade of wet or dry. Am I correct? and if so, what grade should I use? Thanks! Joe S
  
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Re: Oxpho-Blue
Reply #1 - Jan 24th, 2006 at 9:00pm
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Joe, it may be the reciever is casehardened. I have read that casehardened recievers or parts will not take blueing well or not at all in some cases. I do know I have a Hiwall action in the white that has a very hard case and every cold blue I have tried on it has not taken at all. Regards, FITZ.
  

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Re: Oxpho-Blue
Reply #2 - Jan 24th, 2006 at 10:55pm
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Not only does Oxpho Blue not like hard steel, it also doesn't much care for brightly polished steel.  Best results I've had have been with a polish no finer than 400 grit (320 is better) and apply the Oxpho with a small ball of degreased steel wool (OO grade).  Let it set on the metal, wipe it off with paper towels and apply again.  After wiping down with dry paper towels, do it again if needed, or wipe with water-wetted towels, dry and oil with a regular gun oil, not a penetrating oil.  Problem with any cold blues is that they are temporary, designed for touchup work, and if you rub a barrel that it's on with a dry shop cloth, you can smell it.

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Re: Oxpho-Blue
Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2006 at 12:08am
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David;
My experience with Oxpho-Blue has NOT shown any tendency to be "temporary". I have one barrel that I blued many years ago. In the meantime, I have shot several cases of .22's through it and there is NO wear visible. It has been hauled hither and yon many, many times. It seems as durable as hot blue.

I also have a center fire barrel that is holding up well (three years and going).

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Reply #4 - Jan 25th, 2006 at 9:59am
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Ditto what Dale said.

It's possible that the smeared surface finish caused by the action of a buffing wheel is a partial culprit for the poor results reported when using a high polish. I don't even own a buffer or a buffing wheel so therefore all my polish work is done by hand, to somewhere between 320 and 600 grit depending upon the application, and I've had splendid results with Oxpho-blue.

A buffed (smeared) surface finish doesn't give good results with color-case work because the smeared surface doesn't take the colors well at all. It occurred to me that the Oxpho-blue might also require a more open-pored surface in order to finish well. Just a thought.

At any rate, I've had almost perfect results on wall barrels by first hand-polishing with abrasives down to bright steel, then degreasing with 1,1,1 Trichloroethane (from Brownell's, but any degreaser should work well), then applying the Oxpho-blue with a new swab, then scrubbing with steel wool. After the third application, the barrel has an almost perfect blue-black coating that appears to be VERY durable.

One caveat: I've found that using a new piece of swab for every new application helps a lot. IOW don't keep using the same swab for more than a few minutes, it seems to pick up contaminants from somewhere and will soon perform poorly. AAMOF it appears that an old swab had contaminated my bottle of Oxpho-blue so that I eventually had to buy a new one. At any rate the contents of the old bottle appear discolored & don't perform well, while the contents of the new bottle perform perfectly.

So nowadays I'm very careful about returning a discolored swab to the bottle, if it's been used for more than a few passes then I discard it and use a new one.
Good luck, Joe
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 25th, 2006 at 12:08pm
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I will be doing this in a basement, temps are a little cool this time of year. I assume the application of a little heat from a hair dryer will be a good idea, correct?

I also heard or read that some people leave the solution on for a long time, such as overnight. Any recommendations as to how long it should soak?

As far as the reciever is concerned, what are my options? Polish and leave bright, brown, or what else? 

Thanks everyone! Joe

  
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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2006 at 12:56pm
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I have never applied a drop of Oxpho to a firearm surface, but I thought I knew something about the product.

After reading one of the responses below, I realized I was talking through my hat.  Having removed my 'idle chatter', I will either keep up or take notes...like everyone else.
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Reply #7 - Jan 26th, 2006 at 12:13am
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Joe,
My "methodology" is to pour a small amount into a dish only used for this purpose. I use new cotton balls (do not just pick up a bag of "cotton balls". Read the label and use only 100% cotton). I use a new ball each time I apply. I thoroughly degrease the barrel with denatured alcohol. I apply the oxpho-blue. I let set the prescribed time. I then degrease again, and apply another coat with another clean cotton ball. I continue to apply until I am happy with the deepness of the finish (sometimes 5-7 times). 

When I am happy with the depth of finish, I oil the surface liberally with any good preservative. I find that the finish deepens in the days following.
I wear clean rubber gloves. I polish only to 400 grit. Done properly, the oxpho etches the barrel giving a VERY good "tooth" for the blue to work on. I believe in the axiom, "Cleanliness is next to Godliness" when it comes to bluing.

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Reply #8 - Jan 26th, 2006 at 8:42am
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I think Montana_Charlie is refering to a product called Ospho that is used to destroy rust. It is used in many industries that have corrosion problems. I have used Ospho on a lot of rusty steel and Oxpho on my guns,Both are excellent products, but they are not the same.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 26th, 2006 at 9:26am
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Thanks everyone!

I has a shor piece of cut off trapdoor barrel that I have been practicing on, with mixed results.  After dissassembly of the lock and breechblock and a complete detail cleaning of each, I decided to try the Oxpho blue on the barrell. I worked it over with a strip of rather coarse emery paper, probably 120 or 150 grit. Then I degreased with rubbing alcohol, then I applied four or five coats of Oxph-blue with cotton balls, using a new cottom ball for each time I needed more solution.  Rubbed down with coarse steel wool between coats, the results were very satisfactory, a very even, deep color, and apparently quite durable.  As for the lock and breechblock, Oxph-blue would not work at all, I polished them with Flitz and 600 grade wet or dry, and warmed the parts with a propane torch till they were a liitle too warm to hold on to, and applied a Birchwood Casey cold blue with a Q-tip till it quit evaporating, let it stand for a few minutes, flushed with hot water, dried, oiled and burished with fine steel wool.   did not get a very deep color but it was much better than when I started.  So far, so good. I think I may polish the reciever and leave it in the white. Now for the wood.... Thanks, Joe
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 26th, 2006 at 10:14am
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Good morning, Board;

Once upon a time, far far away, on a dark and stormy night, I read that the official Army method for coloring the receivers on springfield rifles was to soak them in sperm whale oil and then burn the oil off.  I suspect that this method was used after case hardening and without polishing so there was some "tooth" on the surface.  But I wasn't there.

You might have a little problem with this solution today.

Y'all be good.

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Reply #11 - Jan 26th, 2006 at 5:53pm
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I have obtained a very nice finish that has held up remarkably well (for a cold blue job) using Oxpho-Blue.   
The first step was to  polish a new chrome moly barrel (to ensure it was scratch free and would take the bluing more consistently) before bead blasting .
Then I built up the bluing with successive coats of Oxpho-
Blue (paste not liquid) by applying with steel wool and being sure to wipe off throughly with paper towels before it dried completely.
This resulted in a nice dark finsh that was not excessively shiney  and not as liable to wear as a barrel that is polished (but not bead blasted).
Great solution for an economy build or rejuvenation of a lightly pitted barrel.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 27th, 2006 at 1:55am
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I would like to add one little thing. Steel wool often is "oily". You might want to degrease the steel wool before trying to blue a barrel (or receiver).

Just a thought...

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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2006 at 5:27am
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In looking over the ingredients to Oxpho-Blue, it appears it is a "cold" Parkerizing, not a "cold" bluing.  Some of the elements (selenium, copper, etc.) are probably there to give it the "right" color.  The presence of phosphoric acid suggests to me a finish with the qualities of Parkerizing, which is rather durable.
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2006 at 10:13am
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KWK, you hit the nail on the head, Joe
  
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