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How do you 'shrink' a dovetail?
Jan 5th, 2006 at 10:40pm
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I aquired a new barrel sight for my Sharps and set out to install it.  It slid easily into the dovetail (on the 'hammer side' of the gun)...and right out the other side.  No looseness, no slop...but also no interference fit.

I cut a thin strip of Scotch tape and stuck it to the bottom of the dovetail in the barrel, then laid another strip on top of the first.  This time it took the help of a small plastic hammer to center the sight.

OK, so that was my little experiment.  It is probably not secure enough to withstand rough handling and recoil vibrations.

I think the same thing would work if the tape was replaced with some very thin shim stock.  But, I don't know if stuff that thin can be found.

I would like to hear what experienced guys use as their favorite ways to 'make a dovetail smaller'.
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Re: How do you 'shrink' a dovetail?
Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 11:42pm
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Don't tell anybody, but I have seen some people using lock-tite. Also, I have seen soft solder and silver solder applied to the sight base. Both work well and if carefully fitted will not show.

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Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 11:47pm
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Charlie, I've had exactly the same experience, several times. I've had great success using steel shim stock secured to the bottom of the sight's male dovetail with either Black Max or Acraglas. I can envision a case in which you'd want to put the shim on one of the inclined faces instead, but so far I've been able to get away with putting it on the bottom. If I was capable of achieving a secure soft solder joint, I might try that method of attachment, but.............

I'm fortunate enough to have purchased a good supply of both steel and brass shim stock in various thicknesses, so it was fairly easy for me. If I was a normal person with no shim stock, I'd simply use as thin a piece of steel as was available and then file down the result to fit. BTW I used a shim that was thicker than necessary and then stoned it to a snug but not jam-tight fit.

I rounded the edges slightly and polished the bottom of the shim and the bottom of the female dovetail recess, to ease installation & keep the shim from separating. A little cold blue finishes the job.

It certainly ain't the most elegant solution, but it works, it's unobtrusive and it doesn't alter the rifle. These are all Good Things in my book.
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Re: How do you 'shrink' a dovetail?
Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2006 at 12:56pm
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Joe, your fix is cheap, quick and works, and is not unsightly...to me, that's supremely elegant!

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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2006 at 5:33pm
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Fellows Pop cans make for the best and cheap shim stock!
All seems to be .005" thick!
Remember this if u happen to be out away form home and need shim stock, everyone allways has a pop can around!
  

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Re: How do you 'shrink' a dovetail?
Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2006 at 11:38pm
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Well, I got it done, and think it will stay in position.

After playing with some more Scotch tape, I decided that .005 would be about right.

Then I thought for a long time...trying to remember any instance where I needed to use the .005 size in my set of automotive feeler gauges.
You know...I have never run across a spark plug or set of points that needed to be set that fine.

So, real quick (so I couldn't change my mind) I nipped 3/8 off of the end, laid that piece in the dovetail, and tapped the sight in on top.  Didn't even use any 'glue'.

Now, that feeler gauge is a little short, but it's long enough to use, and still has the part with the size marked on it (just in case I ever do find that micro-tiny spark plug).

I did all this before reading Jim's comments about the pop cans.  I think that is a great quickie solution, but it brings up a question...

In an application like a sight dovetail (where you might never disassemble the joining) what do you think the chances are of having a corrosion problem caused by electrolosis...because of the two dissimilar metals being kept in constant contact?
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Reply #6 - Jan 7th, 2006 at 3:55pm
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Bownell's sells a shim stock pack that goes from like .002" up to pretty high; I've used it to do several loose dovetail sights as well as making shims to shim up one side of tang mounted sights when they aren't quite perpendicular.  Pretty useful for lots of things.
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Reply #7 - Jan 8th, 2006 at 8:02pm
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Steel and aluminum are disimilar metals, but not of the type that will corrode when in contact. Now don't try copper or brass and aluminum!
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 12:46am
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Hello All:  I am brand new to the forum. Just joined. Another trick for tightening a sight base in a dovetail...... if the fit is not real loose, but just needs to be tightened a bit.... an old trick..... take a center punch..... a couple of small "punches" in the base of the dovetail, or the base of the sight where it will not be seen............... viola.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 10:35pm
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If you are very, very careful... you can take a piece of brass shim and lay it on the very edge of the upper 'lip' of the dovetail and, using a brass hammer, tap very lightly on the shim.  You do not need to move the steel much and you can do this on both 'lips' as well as the sides of the dovetail.  The object is to move the steel without maring the finish or leaving any distortion.  I have done this many times and it works.

NOTE: you only need to move the steel a few thousandths and if you do this procedure correctly you will not see the steel move.  The biggest reason this will not work for most is impatience and that some need to see the steel really move!
  
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Re: How do you 'shrink' a dovetail?
Reply #10 - Jan 19th, 2006 at 10:35am
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Yours is the plan I had tenatively settled on prior to starting this thread, Voyaguer.
I wanted an approach which did the least amount of 'permanent damage' to (both) the sight and the barrel.

I am glad I did not use your method because, without your cautionary advice, I would probably have 'moved the steel' more than necessary.

However, in the future, having the benefit of your experience, I will consider it a suitable alternative if the 'shim method' doesn't appear applicable.
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