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Machining Equipment Opinions
Jan 5th, 2006 at 3:21pm
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OK- I finally have decided to invest in a "mini-mill" and/or a "mini-lathe" to do some of my own smithing (hobby) thereby taking up some of my "down time." As an Engineer, I am familar with the operation of the equipment (South Bend, Bridgeport, Ect.) What I need is opinions on;
1) Which machine to buy (it appears most brands are re-badged Sieg X1 or X2)
2) After-sale support (parts, warranty, ect.)
3) What tooling is needed for the basic work and where is places to purchace.
4) Pitfalls to watch out for?
5) Is digital readout necessary or just a convienience?
6) Am I just plain nuts for doing this?
After making some much needed single shot cleaning rod bore guides,I am thinking one of the easier action castings would be an interesting first project to "wet my feet." I realize the machines are too small for barrel work but one should be able to do almost everything else. Opinions please. Thanks. ??? Undecided
  

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Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2006 at 6:57am
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I just got done doing what you are setting out to do. I am a mechanical engineer that was told I was too old for new ideas! I do a lot of R&D, or now I should say I use to? At 49 I think those kids have a few things to learn. In the mean time...

Hopefully I won't get into trouble mentioning another board. Go to the centerfire forum of benchrest dot com and search their archives for lathes and mills. There's a lot of comments.

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We are rabid, foam at the mouth, certifiable people driven to, well ...accuracy. That particular BR style has few rules, so just about anything goes.

You will be amazed at the lathes and mills they talk about. They are usually no where near the top of line and not so big. Mine is a Chinese version that has the name Birmingham on the side. I think it is a 13x40? Anyway, there you will find lots of info on what to look out for and what are some of the gotchas. Digital readouts are not needed on the lathe. THey might be beneficial on the mill. I don't have any and don't really miss it.

Tooling I usually buy from Travers or whoever has specials going this week. When it comes to chambering rifles, that is the only really specialized area that requires some pricey stuff.

Email me with your address and I will try to find my list to send to you. Please note, by trade, I am a wood butcher (gunstock maker) that only works on metal on the side. The exception is BR, and it looks like that may change to SS.

Best of luck! (when you get set up, it is interesting how many new "friends" come out of the woodwork to have you work on their rifles Smiley

Take care,
Chris
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 8th, 2006 at 11:47am
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Thanks much for the reply. I now can tell the wife that I am not the only crazy person thinling of this aspect of my hobby. I will send an e-mail.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 8th, 2006 at 2:24pm
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As a general rule, all else being equal (it seldom is), the largest heaviest machine will usually give the most satisfactory results. However other factors usually become much more important, factors like price, and size vs the space available, as well as the repair parts and tooling available for the particular model being considered. IMO you should avoid any lightweight machine and also any machine for which tooling or parts might become scarce.
Good luck, Joe
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 10:50pm
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As a general rule, all else being equal (it seldom is), the largest heaviest machine will usually give the most satisfactory results. However other factors usually become much more important, factors like price, and size vs the space available, as well as the repair parts and tooling available for the particular model being considered. IMO you should avoid any lightweight machine and also any machine for which tooling or parts might become scarce.
Good luck, Joe



I agree to a certain extent.  I was struck by the size of Pope's lathe shown in Smith's book.

My mill is a tool room model and my lathe is a 10x48 South Bend.  They both have one thing in common... I laid down 6x6s on my shop floor and countersunk rebar using a masonry drill bit.  I contructed steel plates with carriage bolts threaded through the plates and left the heads sticking downwards.  I poured the cement in the 'boxes' and floated the plates on top.  When everything set up, I drilled, threaded and bolted the lathe and mill down on their respective 'pads'.  I used washers to shim the bases so that they were dead level on both x and y axis.  Since I have to do some extremely close work sometimes, I did not want to have to deal with movement or even vibration.  Both of these tools have served well for making custom firearms for over 30 years.
  
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