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my question and all i will be refurring to in this post is [ss]single set trigger [ds] double set spread trigger and [cc] close coupled set triggers. In the 85,86,92 and 94 winchesters

now i own a 85 with a ss and a 85 with a ds and a 94 with a cc trigger and these guns are correct with letter

here is my question has anyone seen a 94 or a 92 with a ss or a ds trigger i have seen countless 92/94s with cc triggers?

and has anyone seen a 85 with a cc trigger?

This question arose a show and i started asking myself why winchester to my knowledge did not put a cc trigger in a 85 and in the 94 why not the ss or the ds trigger 

Does the trigger configuration not fit in the frame of said gun?? Is the jerk pull of the lever gun to rough for the delicate ss and the ds triggers? [saftey issues??] I am no gunsmith and frankly there is no one left up here that has extinsivly worked on old rifles to where i would call him "trustworthly advise"

i have seen a few 86s but all the ones i have seen had a single set[ss]  in them and i have not seen enough specimens to be comfortable in classifing them to a trigger group

have you guys seen anything outside the norm and believed it to be right

Enlighten me

rafter-7

i did own a  model 85 high wall in 38-55 with a CC set trigger, however it was stolen twenty-five years ago.Gun was 100%
original, too.

I have no doubt that the 85 came with a cc trigger but i have only seen them in the ss and ds style. Were the cc trigger 85s later production guns?

would it be fair too say that the cc trigger did not hit the scene until around 1900? or so. I have shot the cc trigger and did not much care for it kinda clumberson in a levergun to get it set. cuz most off my shooting is done in the winter time [cold fingers].  Are they better in a single shot?

marlinguy thanks for calling my 3 hiwalls and one low wall a "collection" you guys have not seen the other two so here they are i have had these a long  long time!![15 to 20] sounds like a life sentence to me.

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85 38/55 1/3 oct ss trigger mid range with a beeches front case frame full deluxe and shoots very hard!

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85 hi wall in a 22 lr ds trigger swiss butt no. 3 oct unertl 20x this gun has had work done to it so it is not factory right but it shoots so well it has a permenante place in the safe this gun will shoot 243 to 245/250 usbr 50 yard target with RWS target rifle. my friend at the club is a great off hand shooter and at 50' he shot this gun and scored a 198/200 and he said he pulled one and the gun threw one. I call it my little pig it weights 10.5 lbs.

rafter-7

I personally have owned a '73 with SST, an '86 with SST, another '86 with CCDST and a '94 with CCDST. To the best of my knowledge Winchester never made a lever repeater with the wide-spaced DSTs, although other lever repeaters offered them.

The high walls and the flare-side low walls could be had with any of the three Win set triggers, but I've never heard of a factory flat-side low wall with any set trigger other than the SST. Ben Rice made some flat-side low wall tangs with both the CCDSTs and the wide-spaced Schuetzen DSTs, but of course these are all non-factory.

The problem lies with the top-to-bottom thickness of the lower tang. The CCDSTs and the wide-spaced DSTs have their trigger pins set low down in the tang and so the holes are exposed when the thick tang is used in the shallower flat-side frame. This is no problem with the single trigger or the SST since its hole is higher up and so wasn't exposed when the shallower tang was used. The machining for the tangs was all the same for both high and low walls except for the tang top-to-bottom dimension, the flat-side tangs merely used a shallower tang that was apparently machined on the same setup as the thicker one except for the thickness itself.

The few known factory low walls having the wide-spaced DSTs will all be found to be the flare-side variety that have the deeper lower tang, so a high wall tang was used. There's a good discussion & pictures of one of these in one of Campbell's books, the size of the frame is unmistakeable. Interestingly enough, this documented prize rifle is fitted with a Lyman 103 sight that was apparently made for a Stevens!
Go figure, Joe

slow shooter,
i can just see the montana story unfolding. I know the area you are refurring to and its big country thanks for sharing the story

at the last show a friend told me he remembers reading somthiing about the cc triggger being introudced in 1894 and with that it would explain the rariety and the lack of more examples of double set triggers in 94 levers I am sure they are out there and would love to see a DS trigger in a 94 win. it must have been a parts clean up/special order and with the extended opening to allow for the DS must have been a road winchester did not want to go down

rafter-7