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Tentman
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Reply #15 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 5:58pm
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Thank you Glenn and Joe for a couple of wonderful posts.  This is great info, not many "smiths" are really onto this sort of singleshot lore, especially out here "down-under" so it is great to be able to "authoritatively" specify how work should be undertaken.

Cheers - Foster
  
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JDSteele
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Reply #16 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:55pm
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Thanks Foster, I'm merely a jack-leg machinist but Glenn is the true genius with toolmaking.

I just went back & reread portions of Harold Vaughn's great book Rifle Accuracy Facts and want to share a few more thoughts. I had read this book several years ago, back when it was first printed, and had even re-read portions of it since then but had forgotten a lot of it. It's a wonderful book written by a dedicated benchrest shooter who is also a bona fide rocket scientist out in New Mexico at one of those facilities. Vaughn writes in a clear concise style that's very understandable to another shooter and also very readable considering the occasionally arcane math & jargon, and his points are well-made & his experiments were done in an impeccable manner. And what experiments they were!

Among other accuracy-affecting conditions, Vaughn isolated and experimented with the effect of the barrel threads actually moving within the receiver during the action of firing. Yes, that's right, he found that under some fairly common conditions the barrel's conventionally-cut threads would actually fail to prevent movement of the rearmost part of the barrel's threaded shank, resulting in the barrel assuming a slightly different position after each shot. Sad but true, and illustrated in the book by some convincing photographs as well as some corroborating mathematical formulae.

To make a long story short, Vaughn details three methods used to solve this problem but unfortunately he didn't try the (fourth) Loctite method. After reading what he had to say on the subject, IMO Glenn's Loctite method would address all Vaughn's issues and take care of any incipient problems in this area. I intend to use it in my own work from now on.

I can't praise this book as highly as it deserves. IMO every single accuracy-minded rifle builder should have a copy and read it several times, I get something new each time I go back to it.
Very interesting discussion indeed, Joe
  
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gunsbrad
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Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 7:04am
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Thank you all for the info presented here.  This is invaluable stuff.

On the subject of the lap,  is there any advantage to using cast iron as opposed to brass?  I also don't have a ready source for cast iron, but brass is not scarce.   

I am definitely going to try these methods when time permits.   This has been a truly thought provoking thread.

Thanks,

Brad Hurt
  
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horsefly
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Reply #18 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 8:37am
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Good morning, hst & Joe;

I don't know if the gentlemen here appreciate y'alls discussion, but I do!  Material for thought.  Need to practice sometimes.

Y'all be good.

horsefly
  
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JDSteele
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Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2006 at 11:24am
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Brad, brass allows the abrasive to imbed in it more readily, thereby cutting the subject metal rather than the lap, but brass is also much softer, allowing the lap to wear more rapidly in a sometimes uneven manner. Since the cast iron is harder, it retains its dimensions much better & so is a better choice for critical fitting. Brass laps used for critical work should be refaced regularly to ensure squareness & flatness. A common drill is to cut crisscross grooves in the lap if large enough, allowing a place for the abrasive & cuttings to accumulate.

I'm not much of a lapper, Glenn has much more experience in this area & can probably chime in here with some more good info.
Good luck, Joe
  
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