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Reply #30 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 6:00pm
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I have read this entire thread with much interest. What I have to add will not be much. My problem is that I am mostly a shooter. I am not much of a collector. In short, in the eyes of most collectors I am probably a "Philistine".

I would cheerfully assemble most any combination of parts to make a shooter. The only criteria might be "does it shoot" (accurately)? I want it to look good but if it comes to "shoot or look" I would nearly ALWAYS choose "shoot". Every now and then I stumble and put a hooked butt plate on a bench gun or some such, but my definite predeliction is to do nothing that compromises its shootability. Of course, it goes without saying, it MUST be within the rules.

I'll add one more thing - I WOULD NEVER KNOWINGLY MISREPRESENT ANYTHING JUST TO MAKE A BUCK.

I am a good bit "insensitive" to the collector soul, sad to say. Oh well, maybe in the next life...

Dale53

  
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Reply #31 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 10:00pm
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Well thanks for all your input guys, and also for the congrats! If this thread spurred some good discussion, then it did no harm, and actually provoked some good points! 
I'd love to see this expanded on in the Journal, especially with all the positives and negatives expanded upon! 
I have decisions to make on which direction to go with this Hepburn. Dave feels his barrel may not be in good enough shape for this gun, and I sure appreciate his opnion in that. He doesn't have anything to gain in discouraging it's use! 
Others have told me to either wait for an original in good shape, or make up a new barrel. Some of my local collector friends felt I should leave it as it is, but I think I can pretty quickly pass on that thought! Grin That is unless I can pass Froggie's idea of the Hepburn carbine off! Wink
Thanks, as always for everyone's input!
  
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Reply #32 - Feb 14th, 2006 at 12:36am
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Interesting, very interesting. First and foremost, your original question, I believe, was about lengthing a barrel. Just by chance, I am in the process of refinishing a badly neglected and abused high wall. It too needs a new barrel, the old one being without much bore, and also shortened. In my wanders while deciding how best to remedy this, I was discussing barrel work, ie:, chambering, fitting, etc. with a gunsmith fellow that I only that day had been introduced to. In the middle of that discussion he rather offhandedly suggested that if I would like, he could weld a section back to lengthen my old barrel, finish the outside, bore and re-line it back to the original chamber and rifling. He said that he has done this a number of times and that he was sure I would be pleased with the results.
     Now, it should be said right up front, this was NOT being suggested as a way to deceive anybody, but as a way for me to restore on old "junker" back to near original, much the same as replacing the barrel with another used barrel.
     I have elected to go another route and am in the process of buying a replacement barrel of modern manufactue. The above mentioned smith will be doing the fitting and chamber work.
     He has the ability and equipment to build a barrel from bar stock.I have not talked with any of his customers, but I have seen some of his work and it looks very good. I was quite impressed with a "rifling" contraption/machine he has designed and built that he was using to do his own rifling.
     If you are interested, I will ask his permission to give you the necessary contact information.
  
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Reply #33 - Feb 14th, 2006 at 8:28pm
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Cheapskate,
Yes, I'm interested in his info, and would like to talk to him. My email is:
marlinguy@juno.com
  
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Reply #34 - Feb 15th, 2006 at 12:45am
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It is now about 9:45 PM on Tuesday.  I will try to contact him tommorow to gain permission to send you the necessary contact information.
  
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Reply #35 - Feb 15th, 2006 at 10:45pm
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Well, it is now Wednesday evening.  I have not been able to get ahold of John all day.  Must be out of town. But I have discovered that he has a web sight so I would guess that it is ok to give out his contact information.  He is John Taylor address is 712 Spencer Rd. Toledo, WA 98591  Home phone 360-864-2662  His web sight can be seen at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); Tell him Bill sent you.
  
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Reply #36 - Feb 16th, 2006 at 7:58am
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John Taylor relined a low wall barrel for me. There is absolutely no way that you can see the seam at the muzzle. Amazing! I recomend him highly. John also helps us struggling amatures at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) .
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Reply #37 - Feb 16th, 2006 at 8:25pm
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HA!!!!
Small world isn't it!? John worked on my other Hepburn, (the project gun) along with Dale Woody, who engraved it! I emailed John about the possibility of rebarreling it, but the subject of lengthening the barrel never came up.
I've sent him a second email to discuss this option. John's very close, so I can drive to his place if it works out!
  
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Reply #38 - Feb 23rd, 2006 at 1:56pm
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MOst of you have probably seen pics of Townsend Whelen's Fred Adolph 1903 Springfield that is in the NRA Museum.  A few years ago we of the Rifled Arms Historical Ass'n were exhibiting some of his rifles (we own seven) and borrowed the 1903 from the NRA.  To our surprise the whole inside of the bolt - two piece striker, striker collar, mainspring - was missing.  We were told that at some prior date the NRA had lent out the gun but it had to be "demilled" for an exhibit so the parts were removed and got lost.  Well when we at RAHA got four of the Whelen rifles from his grandson Townsend Whelen Bowling there was also a boxof 1903 parts.  We pulled the appropriate parts out of the box and stuck them in the Fred Adolph when we gave it back to the NRA.  So now unless they have lost the bolt guts again, it is complete and all Townsend Whelen, albeit not with the original parts it was made with.
  
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Reply #39 - Apr 1st, 2006 at 11:28pm
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UPDATE:
I have new information on this subject. I took the gun to John Taylor Machine, and John lengthened the barrel to 30". He did so by welding on a piece of steel round stock, welded up the front sight dovetail, and then milled it to match the Hepburn's barrel shape. After that he drilled the old barrel out, and relined it to .40-70 SS and cut a new dovetail.
The polishing process removed some of the caliber marking, so I had it refreshed, and the barrel rust blued. It is now complete, and hopefully it is on it's way home again soon! 
I've been busy making up .40-70SS ammo, so I can get it to the range for load workup! Hopefully it will go with me this fall on a mule deer hunt!
  
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Reply #40 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 2:51pm
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Here's the finished barrel. I aged it appropriate to the rest of the gun's finish.
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