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Stock Grip Styles
Nov 7th, 2005 at 11:51am
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While attending BPCR matches in the area, I noticed there are both straight grip and pistol grip stocks being used by some very good shooters. Is there any reason (advantage/disadvantage) of one over the other as a person might want to order a Sharps #1 vs. a Sharps #3. Any thoughts? ???
  
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Re: Stock Grip Styles
Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2005 at 3:41pm
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Mr. Flatlander:

The pistol grip is alleged to give a more natural hand position and allow for better trigger control. In reality, the  pistol grips on most of these early guns are too far back and at too shallow of an angle to be of great value in this regard.

The real difference is that he PG stocks tend to have shotgun butt plates and less drop at comb and heel. This makes them better for target  use, particularly with the heavy recoiling cartridges the BP rifles are chambered for.

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Reply #2 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 11:35am
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Basically then it is just a matter of preference? Does this apply to Schuetzen as well? ( I do have a Ballard #6 that is a straight grip) I am concidering building a new target rifle on another action I have and have not decided on leaving the lower tang straight as it came or having it bent for a pistol grip. Thanks for the opinions. Undecided
  

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Re: Stock Grip Styles
Reply #3 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 9:30pm
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Flatlander,

     Since you mention schuetzen, the following applies, it is NOT sanctioned for use in BPCS to the best of my knowledge. Sad

     Another consideration is the use of a target-type lever.  My personal favorite is the late, lamented Walker style I used on a straight grip high-wall, but I also like the Laudensack-style for the high-wall and of course the Pope-style that was made for (or fitted to) a wide variety of single shots.  The proper lever can get your hand into an optimal position without your having to alter the rifle in any other way...and can easily be changed back any time you so desire!  Just my $.02, but as Hunter said, "Works for me."   8)

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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 4:25pm
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Good morning, Mr. Frog;

I miss your meaning in your reply above.  What about grip configuration is not permitted in BPCS?

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Re: Stock Grip Styles
Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:28pm
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Hola, estimado Sr. Fly!

     As I understand it, BPCS rules specifically DISallow any target-type appurtenances such as the aforementioned levers, Swiss-style butt plates, etc..  When I showed up at a match with my Walker lever on a .45-70 high-wall, they said since I was new I could shoot it, but only until and unless I started winning.  Smiley No danger there, but that was the last ruling I got on the matter.  I would welcome information that the rules on that would allow my levers, but fear they do not.

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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 6:19pm
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Schuetzen stocks have more drop at the heel so that the rifle sights can be more directly aligned with one's eye without cocking your neck (which forces you to look sideways through your sights).

Schuetzen grips are generally a custom affair that allows the shooter to more consistently position his trigger finger. They are  ussually designed in a manner that promotes proper trigger pull for the shooter (without sideways deflection).

The raised comb allows the rifle to be steadied and the eye repositioned consistently after each shot. The schuetzen stock is also designed to be steadied across the chest for offhand shooting.

Each schueatzen stock is ussually a custom fitted affair that facilitates a specific shooter's offhand postion through fitting to that person's body.

  
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Reply #7 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 11:35am
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So, where would one look to find one of the Laudensack-Style or Pope-Style levers? Does someone make castings for them?
  

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Re: Stock Grip Styles
Reply #8 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 11:58am
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Flatlander, at last check, Rodney Storey (who is discussed on another recent thread) was making a casting for the Laudensack lever for a COIL spring high- or low-wall.  I believe he and others have made Pope style levers for several rifles as well.  An alternative is to cut a lever for the rifle of your choice and weld the desired lower portion on to get whatever configuration you want.  Track of the Wolf has some trigger guards even that some folks have used this way.  Smiley

Looking back at your initial post on this thread, you mention using a Sharps...if that is still your intention AND if you wish to make a "dual purpose" rifle, you might consider a making up a spare lever to put on the rifle for target shooting (paper) then return the original for BPCS.  This spare lever could give you the better hand position without committing the rifle to an all-out target stock.  Given the initial choice, I would still probably order the pistol grip rifle (personally) for either use...it just feels better to me.   Smiley

While multi-purpose rifles are not as satisfactory in all respects as purpose built ones, the increase in usefulness would justify that relatively small outlay of funds.  JMHO and YMMV, but you asked!   Grin

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Re: Stock Grip Styles
Reply #9 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 1:18pm
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Thanks for the replys. There is much information to think over.
BTW, the action that I am building on is a Winchester Lo-Wall so the ideas will apply. I just used the Sharps as an example although I do have a C-Sharps  standard  straight grip I am thinking of having an ebony pistol-grip adapter installed for BPCR use.
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 6:32pm
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Buenos dias, Sr. Frog;

Thanks for the clarification.  I have seen a couple of the Meacham's with the fancy underlever around here and I had not given it a thought.  Butt hooks are a definite no no.  Same same with a Schuetzen style butt stock.

Thanks again.

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Reply #11 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 6:34pm
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Good morning, again;

Addemdum:

My confusion was that I thought you meant the form of the pistol grip itself.

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Reply #12 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 10:34pm
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hi ho flatlander.. 

don't know what you will use the lo-wall for, howsomever, do consider a thumb rest on the grip. a thumb rest makes any gun more pleasant to shoot..

..ttfn..grampa..
  
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