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rafter-7
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1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Nov 3rd, 2005 at 9:29pm
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the savage i ordered came long a time ago just been too busy to put it on w/pic
its in 22 lr swiss butt, adj. trigger, fancy american walnut checkered stock  its not even talked about in blue book but in the firearms book it has a nice write up.
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and here is one of three hand guns i have this gun was built in germany its got a set trigger fully adj. front and rear sights with the rear flosting up and down on a spring  rolling block design action and the tang lifts and rolles the block it is also in 22lr
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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #1 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 1:48pm
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Thanks for sharing with us. I have never seen one of the Savage single shots. Is it a bolt action?

The pistol is quite interesting. I have a friend that a year or so ago bought a Russian Free Pistol. I have always been fascinated with Free Pistols but have never owned one.

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Reply #2 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 2:57pm
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hi dale,
the savage is a bolt action I like you have never heard of the fancy sporting version until "THE LIST" came and i spotted it started looking for more info and found it in the firearms book and i knew it had to be rare as hens teeth
two weeks went by and i called the seller to tell him i was really satisfied and he said you would not believe the calls i had on that gun and to find a savage in that conldition, unreal like i always said the savages and the remingtons stayed in the barn and the winchesters got to stay in the house
as for the free pistol it is quite unique with wrap around checkering oct. barrel  I am quite sure the gun has been sleeved to 22lr for the germans were milimeters for caliburs but the gun with win T-22 will shoot 1" to 1 1/2" groups at 25 yards and yes this gun is for sale because it doesnt fit in my collection and i do not like hand guns and my kids like to play with it too much i am asking 1250.00 
if it does not go by christmas its going on guns america

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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #3 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 11:21pm
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Hey rafter7! I have a close friend who's an advanced Savage collector, and he's got the mate to your new toy! They could easily be twins! I'd never seen one before his, and now your's too!
  
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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #4 - Dec 15th, 2005 at 11:57am
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The Pistol looks like a very early Free Pistol.  I would love to find some articles or books about the evolution of this type of gun.  I have two modern ones that I shoot, and they are very much in the tradition of the schutzen rifle.  They both have Martini type actions, set triggers, and wild looking grips.  The FP may be the ultimate challange in all shooting.  No one has ever shot a 600 (perfect)  I am not even sure how many 590's have been shot!

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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #5 - Dec 15th, 2005 at 12:18pm
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While in Cody, Wyoming a few years ago, I stopped in the Buffalo Bill Museum (actually spent two days there Grin). I asked to see the basement collection and was allowed access there. There was a complete collection of early Free Pistols there. Most interesting.

Just a couple of years ago, you could buy a Russian Free Pistol (new) for about $500.00. They are not finely finished outside, but "state of the art" inside. Unfortunately, the importer has died and I have lost track of who might be importing them. I have been told that the price has accelerated markedly. I should have bought one when I had the chance. Oh well, can't have everything Cry

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Reply #6 - Dec 15th, 2005 at 12:30pm
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Yes, my dear friend Don Nygord Passed away last Boxing Day (12/26/04) I have a TOZ 35M which is the pistol your are speaking of.  It is just as you say, finished where it needs to be, and rough where it doesent matter.  They are closer to $1400 now with custom Rink Grips.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) has taken over from Don, but no one could replace him.  Don still holds the USA Free Pistol record AFAIK at about 578.  The TOZ is still the dominant gun in international competition, but the Morini CM84 with electronic trigger is well thought of too.
My other gun is the very weird Morini CM 80 Super Comp.  It has a 50 meter test target with it that is hard to belive (dime size)  I appologize if I have gotten too off topic.

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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #7 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 12:38pm
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Well, let's play like you're on topic as long as no one objects too strongly...since free pistols are the schuetzen models of the one hand world anyway.   Roll Eyes

I have always had a hankering to find out more about the Hi Standard free pistol of the '60s.  That thing even had a 9-v battery in the grip for the electric trigger!  Shocked   

If anyone reading this would like to send me a PM with discussion on this particular firearm, I would be most interested.   Cheesy

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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #8 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 5:55pm
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those FreePistols are simply one-handed schuetzen rifles.  A couple years back DerPrez Staup showed up at EG with a real nice pair of Egyptian ex-olympic free pistols in 22rf.  Hammerelli/Martini actions as I recall.  Being a long time handgunner I was fascinated with them.  Gary very generously offered to let me shoot them (this was before he got to know me), but the custom-made fitted grips were made for much smaller hands than mine. I just couldn't hold'em well enough to feel secure shooting such gems.

Don't forget too, all those single shot Rem and S&W target pistols that Pope, Neidner, et al did in the early year of this century.
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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #9 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 7:48pm
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Dadgum!  I thought Pope, Neidner, et al were all long dead before the first few years of THIS century!   Shocked  Where were they hiding out when I needed some work done in the '90s?   Grin

Or maybe DWS is still stuck in the '60s.  What's in them pipes I see you smoking around EG... anyway?   8)

Yes, I knew that they were doing work with the likes of S&W, H&R and Colt back about 100 years ago, but that was one area in which their wildest work couldn't hold a candle to what came about 50 years later.  As for that small stock/grip...you're right.  You almost had to "put the gun on" like a wooden glove, and the fit was just as critical if not more so.   Wink

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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #10 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 9:41pm
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It is very common for pistol shooters to attack their brand new custom made grips with a dremel tool and a can of Bondo!  The new ones on my TOZ were made from a tracing of my hand and a few measurments.  They are adjustable in ways you may not think.  The leader at the moment seems to Rink Grips from Germany.  They are very well made, and better than that he gets them to you in a month or so!.  I think that the first Olympic Gold medal in shooting was in free pistol at Athens in 1896.  The TOZ is a copy of a Hammerli 100 series gun from the 50's  It is a rare case of the copy being superior to the original.  The electronic pistol from the 60's was the Green Electronic Free Pistol.  It was designed by Franklin Green who was the Silver Medalist in Mexico City 1968.  I do not know if High Standard was involved, but they could have been.  The old Conecticut High Standards were excellent pistols.  The manual for the Green pistol is on the web and you can download it.  Just Google it up.  I hope the weather is good tomorrow, I need to take my FP's to the range.

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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #11 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 9:52pm
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I know a feller that has a H&R USRA Single Shot Pistol (Walter Roper designed). The first ones rolled out of the factory about 1928. The one I have in mind is somewhat later. Extremely accurate pistol.

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Reply #12 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 10:12pm
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Yes, The H&R USRA pistol is considered to be very fine.  It competed with the S&W Single Shots (1st, 2nd, 3rd, and straight line models) and the Colt Camp Perry Model (pretty much a converted revolver)  I don't know much about the matches in the USA back then, but I imagine there was a minimum trigger pull weight (probably 2 pounds).  This is where they diverge from the ISSF (Then the ISU or UIT)  The Free Pistol Like the Free Rifle has a very light trigger. some as little as 20 grams. Set triggers are not considered good on Olympic Free Rifles as they increase lock time, but they are standard to this day on Free Pistols.  The American single shot pistols died out because the NRA National Match Course has Rapid and Timed phases.  These were done with revolvers at first, but as the knowledge of refining the 1911 became more common the usual weapons are all auto loaders today.  Usually a custom 1911 in .45 for both the .45 stage and the centerfire stage, and a Pardini SP, Hammerli 208, or other fine .22 for the small bore stage.  Some do shoot a .32 or .38 for centerfire (custom 1911 or import)  I live in the middle of nowhere so I am mostly a wannabe.  

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Re: 1905 savage SS fancy target rifle came
Reply #13 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 6:30pm
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I'm sorry I just noticed a glaring error in my last post.  It said "I competed"  it should have said "It competed"  I'm really not that old!  I fixed it, some times typing and I don't do well together.

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