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Jul 5th, 2005 at 8:17pm
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Will be breechseating and using pre charged cases.  Would appreciate any info, on using floral foam as a case wad.  Have used a small tuff of cotton over powder.  Not compressing it.  With a cork wad touching the bullet base.  Would also like to try the floral foam in the end of the case, with the bullet seated just ahead of the foam.  Thank you.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 12:23am
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When shooting my .357 Max Martini with a 260 gr. bullet breechseated, I found that a small tuft of cotton to retain the powder worked well, floral foam did not.  I didn't have any cork to try at that time...may have to go back to that rifle and give it a go.  With the current 30 cal 32-20 breechseating a 189 gr. bullet, cotton and floral foam were not effective, but a cork wad at the case mouth is showing some good possibilities.  Several shooters I know get good results with the foam, no wad...I guess it all depends on which pair of teeth you hold your tongue between when loading.

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Reply #2 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 7:33am
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38-55, you don't mention whether you will be shooting your namesake cartridge or some other in this particular instance.  If shooting the 38-55 which is essentially straight inside with very little taper, I would consider cutting a cork wad to be a springy fit right over the level of the powder...I have done this with .32-40, but have abandoned it in favor of a single case reloaded for each shot.  If I WERE preloading, however, I think that would be my strategy as it continues to be with my .32-357.  Be sure to give a little space for the front face of the powder to "slump" to prevent the advancing flame and pressure from causing chamber ringing.

BTW, what powder are you using?  I know some .32-40 shooters just put a wad of floral foam in the mouth and let the powder lie where it will...this seems to work for a bunch of offhand shooters I have observed.  There isn't any reason you couldn't do the same thing with a sufficiently flexible cork wad.

38-cal  I just got a roll of cork at my local Advance Auto store (or was it Auto Zone?  They both have it.)  I try to find the stuff that does NOT have the little black rubber filler showing, but the other kind has SOMEthing binding it, so I went on and took the easy to find stuff where you can see the rubber...it seemed to work just as well.

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Reply #3 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 9:21am
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I will be shooting a 32-40 with 4227.  The bullet will be seated just ahead of the cartridge case.  With this set up there will be about a 1/16 inch space between the bullet base and the case mouth.  That space between the bullet base and the wad at the case mouth, is what causes me concern.  I worry about ringing a fine barrel.  The cork wad is more substantial than floral foam.  When it comes to all the loading techniques associated with Schutzen style loading I have read most everything there is.  However have never been around others who do it.  The 38-55 is because that is my favorite BPCR rifle.  I am new to the smokless loading .
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 9:36am
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Why don't you put the cork wad into the breechseater and then the bullet and seat both at the same time.  There should leave no space between the wad and the bullet. Then if you wanted you could put a floral foam wad in the case mouth to keep the powder in the case.  I don't think the floral foam can act as a projectile like a cork wad could.
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Reply #5 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 7:41pm
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38-55,

There are a number of posts on this forum regarding the use of floral foam, all seem to be positive.  Most everyone seems to use it more to keep the powder from spilling out of the case than anything else.  I fall into this category using it in my 32-40 with 4227 powder, breech seating.  I cut a wafer from the block with a sharp knife, about 1/8" thick, and then push the case mouth through with my thumb.  The wad stays at the mouth and does not settle unless shaken hard.  Very quick and little mess.  Make sure that you use the fine grain foam as mentioned in the other posts.

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Reply #6 - Jul 6th, 2005 at 8:34pm
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Thank you for reminding me about the search.  A wealth of info awaits.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2005 at 11:39pm
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Last year I asked on this forum the best way to cut the floral foam. It was suggested that I use either a band saw or a table saw to cut uniform slices (I cut mine between 1/4" and 5/16" thick (all of them the same thickness).

I was extremely easy to do and the foam works quite well.

Everyone really ought to get a copy of Charlie Dell's book while they are still available. HIs chapter on "barrel ringing" and how to avoid is worth the price of the book.

Just do not set the wad tight upon the powder. It should be .100"-.200" off the powder (all of them set the same, of course).

I prefer to use the floral foam down towards the powder and put a cork, vegetable fiber, or LDPE wad at the case mouth (.060" thick) to protect the base of the bullet from the powder ignition.

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