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granute
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NITRE BLUE
Jun 16th, 2005 at 12:24am
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I'd like to give this process a try but I am totally in the dark
as to how it's done and what chemicals are used. Does anybody have the scoop on this ?
I could go with a rust blue on my project, but I think the nitre
blue would go better on the action parts of a roller I'm doing.
  
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Re: NITRE BLUE
Reply #1 - Jun 16th, 2005 at 3:22am
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Mr. granute:

Nitre blue is an oxidizing process that can yield a color range from straw to Peacock blue. The colors are vibrant, but they are not really very durable. The process is best used on small parts like screws and pins that are not subjected to movement and wear.

To achieve the blue the parts are immersed in a bath of molten Nitre salts. The temperature of the salts determines the color of the part, but typically the bath is around 600 to 700 degrees F. The part is dipped and held in the salts until the desired color is reached and then the part is quenched and washed in water and then oiled.  The trick to good color is a fine and fresh polish. The part should be blued immediately after polishing.

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Reply #2 - Jun 16th, 2005 at 7:45am
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Brownells offers the salts pre-mixed for this process.  Go to (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) for the full instructions.

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Reply #3 - Jun 16th, 2005 at 8:05pm
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Thank you for the info. I've got to get out an order to Brownell's this month anyway, so I'll order the chemicals at the
same time.....
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2006 at 8:25pm
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I'm finishing up a high wall project and have always admired and wanted to duplicate that luster or sheen that is found on the receivers on highwalls, 86's, 92's, high grade model 12's and others that cannot be duplicated with a hot dip blue.  Everything I've read and heard about nitre blue is that it is not as durable as other finishes.  In the Madis' book, it explains the nitre blue process and mentions the use of adding manganese peroxide to the mix.  Does anybody know if this makes it more durable? Also, does anybody know if this was the actual process Winchester used on these actions and is this why so many of them that were handled seem to have the finish almost look like it is flaking off??  Could Winchester have used an entirely different process for these actions such as charcoal bluing or heat treat bluing of some kind?  The process used on Model 12 Trap and Skeet grades made in the 40's and 50's seem to have a type of blue that is different than a hot dip blue and gives that neat lustre yet is very durable.  I took a class some years ago in rust bluing and the instructor and I had a discussion on this and he thought it might have been a gas blued process.  Anybody have any information about this as well as know of somebody that can duplicate these colors and lustre?  Granute, did you follow through with your project and how did it go?
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2006 at 1:43am
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Mr. Old Win:

I am thinking perhaps the finish you are looking for is the Carbona blue that is done by Classic Guns in Beecher, IL.  It is a very lusterous deep blue/ black that appears to have depth.

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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 10:18pm
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Mr. granute,
I am currently Nitre Bluing using the Brownell's product.  A few things that I have learned by hands-on, may be of help to you.  A bullet casting thermometer is mandatory as 25 degrees either way can make a significant difference in the color.  Parts which have a substantial variation in thickness or mass can be tricky because of the difference of heat soak time.  It is beneficial to pre-heat the parts using a counter top toaster oven (obtain this from the goodwill, not the wife's kitchen  Grin)  This also drives out any residual moisture which would prove disastrous if immersed in the salts.  The parts should be blued immediately after polishing, the better the polish, the better the peacock, in this application you can use a grease based compound as it has no affect on the outcome.  Sometimes applying a light coating of oil to the part before immersion will give you a darker blue, depending upon the alloy.  I dropped my parts directly into rain water from the bluing tank, this helps stop the process especially on heavy parts.  And, as always do not forget the safety gear and lock out all guests.  There's my 2 cents worth - good luck and enjoy yourself.
  
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Re: NITRE BLUE
Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 10:28pm
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Just as with ovens, thermometers vary, so use yours as a guide, not as gospel!  I have three lead pot thermometers, none of them agree on anything, so make sure to keep track of which you use for your Nitre Blue if you have more than one of 'em.   

Pre-heating big parts is a good idea, as long as you don't heat past the coloring temp.  Probably no more than 250 to 300 F. is about right to drive off any moisture and cut down the tank time.

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Reply #8 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 12:48am
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HST is 100% correct --- the finish you are looking for is Carbonia bluing and the favored source is non other than an ASSRA supporter "Classic Guns" of Beecher , Ill.  FWIW,   Ken
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 9:54pm
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Russell, How would you describe the colors that you're getting?  Are they brilliant like a fire blued screw that we're seeing on some of these Colt SAA's coming into the country or is it a deeper blue?  I know ???, hard to describe!  Have you noticed that it comes off easily or not?  I'd like to get a better feel for what "not very durable means".  Thanks Bob
  
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