Stevens52, Well, what I was doing was just throwing your arguments back at you. Namely.... If they'd have had it they would have used it. I said it was a stupid argument, but apparently you just want to point out the obvious. Also..... Who said that the Hudson/Hayes record attempts were to be shot under ASSRA rules? Seems to me that if Steve made the attempt during a WSU match he probably shot under their rules. I'd have to go back and look it up, but I don't recall anyone saying it had to be shot under ANY of the current SS organizations rules. Under WSU rules shooting pants coats are illegal unless you're going to shoot in the Open Class in your attempt, and then I'm not even sure of that. Would have to look it up. Electronics..... Vague rules about electronic wind speed indicators under ASSRA rules, but nothing in WSU rules covering them that I've seen. So it really appears as tho you aren't familiar enuf with the rules of either the ASSRA or the WSU to argue the point. Apparently tho you have decided the record attempts will be shot under ASSRA rules. Glad to hear you are the final judge on that! I assume you have donated a major portion of the money to the attempt so you are qualified to make those decisions? In the second place I wasn't advocating using any of the points in the other message. I raised them in an attempt to show how foolish the comment "If they'd have had it they would have used it" really was. So I suggest that youl, as you suggest I do.... read my messages carefully on the subject. You have seemed to pick and choose the points you want to argue without addressing my main point. Oh... By the way...... The day Hudson shot the record was one of those "freakish" days with almost perfect conditions. But, there was one very unusual feature of the range it was shot at that I found interesting. Will have to bring it up sometime when you've calmed down. Dick, There were many .22 matches shot and published in S&F, as well as several other sporting magazines of the era. In fact, probably more than were shot with CF rifles. The big clubs around the country would hold at least a match a week, with many leagues going during the Winter. But, everything I've read seemed to indicate that .22's were shot indoors, or at reduced yardages of 50 & 75 ft. I can't find any proof that there were no shooters shooting .22's at 200 yds., or even 100 yds. back then. But, from matches that listed equipment, such as I showed in a previous message, there just doesn't seem to be any .22 shooters at the 200 yd. outdoor matches. Was this by gentleman's agreement? Of course the preferred .22 ammo for match shooting were .22 shorts which just might not hold up to well at the longer yardages. I have no quarrel with anyone who wants to attempt the records with a .22. I just personally feel since all the shooters at the match where Hudson set his record, and from all indications, any other 200 yd. match of importance, then anyone attempting those records should do the same. PETE
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