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Use of Cerrosafe
Apr 24th, 2005 at 9:32pm
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This is actually a multi-part question.  I find myself in need of some chamber casts and found a couple of plugs of what was given to me several years ago by a friend (now long deceased) which I BELIEVE he said was Cerrosafe.  It had been melted and recast into what appears to have been those little plastic condiment cups they give you at restaurants with your ketchup or salad dressing.  The questions are;

1) Short of melting it, is there a way I can determine easily whether it is indeed Cerrosafe?  Undecided

2) Where can I get whatever instructions and pointers I need to actually use the stuff?   ???

3) Anybody have any other ideas, advice, suggestions, cautions, etc about this whole process?  Roll Eyes

As always, TIA!   
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Re: Use of Cerrosafe
Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2005 at 10:11pm
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As to confirming if it's Cerrosafe, I'm not sure if there's a cheap way to confirm, but there's a way to almost positively confirm. Try putting it in a small pan, and put that in boiling water. If it's Cerrosafe, it will melt once the water boils. Cerrosfae is pretty hard and brittle, but with a low melting point.
As to using it, you can contact Brownells Tech folks, and they'll email you the instructions.
Basically what I do is melt it in a pan over boiling water. Plug the bore with a tight plug of cotton. Pour the Cerrosafe into the chamber, then have a rod handy, and push it out. That's about it.
Hope this helps.
  
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Re: Use of Cerrosafe
Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2005 at 10:32pm
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My late & sorely missed friend used to do all my chamber casting with Cerrosafe.  The most important part was getting out the modeling clay and sealing off all the crevices, screw holes, etc. where it might be possible to spill the stuff into.  So take yourself to the nearest good quality children's toy store & get some colorful modeling clay.  It came in sticks wrapped in some sort of cellophane, about 4" x 1/2 " x 1/2".  The brighter the color, the easier to make sure you get it all back off.  If you make a chamber cast in a bolt action like a Mauser, you need to completely fill the locking lug recesses before you pour.

If the chamber is an unknown, maybe you can make a little dam or cup with the clay so you can get a look at the rim and maybe get a headspace measurement.

Jim used an alcohol burning lamp to melt the Cerrosafe and a little dish made out of a cat food can to hold the melted stuff.  he bent a spout in the can with pliers and used channel locks to hold the can while the stuff melted.  Not high tech.  he had an aluminum funnel to feed the stuff into the chamber.  If you don't have an alcohol lamp, you might melt the stuff with a candle.  It doesn't take much heat.

The barrel plug went more than an inch into the barrel, so you had a cast of the throat, leade, etc.  Jim gave the chamber a very light coating of oil to make sure the stuff released.   

I sure learned a lot about my 8.15 x 46 R rifles from the casts.

Good luck, 

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Re: Use of Cerrosafe
Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2005 at 8:21am
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Thanks, Vall and Richard.  You have basically reinforced what I remembered from MY limited experience with the stuff.  What I have seems heavier than I thought it was supposed to be, but that is just my poor memory, I hope.  Tongue
What I specifically need to do is make a cast of a Maynard chamber which is accessible while the barrel is off the receiver, so there is no danger of getting the molten metal anywhere unwanted.  The second cast I need is in a Ballard, and again, since the breech block is out, there is a pretty straight shot there as well.   
I guess, now there is nothing for me to do but find/make a melting pot and have at it.   Grin  Thanks again guys!

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Reply #4 - Apr 26th, 2005 at 12:22am
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Hey Mr. Frogster --- remember to lightly heat the bbl area around the chamber before pouring the cerrosafe into chamber or you won't get a good cast. Heat no more than warm/very warm to the touch.     Ken
  
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Re: Use of Cerrosafe
Reply #5 - Apr 27th, 2005 at 11:24pm
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New to the Forum, thought I would add my dos centavos worth on the Cerrosafe discussion.  Brownells web site, (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links), has product instructions online for most Brownells house products.  Go to the "Gun Tech" heading at the top of the page, then go to "How To's", and enter the stock number or product name.   

If you have too much oil in the chamber and/or heat the Cerrosafe too hot, you'll get frosting and bubbles in the surface that can interfere with the measurement.  There's a learning curve to use the stuff...not too cold, not too hot, Goldilocks!  And if you goof, and get a bad cast, just melt it down and try again.

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Reply #6 - May 13th, 2005 at 11:15pm
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somehow or ta other i missed this post. the only thing i mite add to all the above fine advice is, allways make two casts of the chamber. leave the first in for a while to get the chamber up to temp. knock it out and the second cast should be perfect. BTW, a casting ladle makes a good melting and pouring pot..

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Re: Use of Cerrosafe - modeling clay
Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2005 at 7:19pm
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Just a note - most of the modeling clay found anywhere other than an art supply house is the cheap stuff for kids.  Read the label carefully: IF IT SAYS IT IS MADE IN CHINA IT MAY HAVE LARD IN IT AND LORD KNOWS WHAT ELSE.  Found out the hard way when 
the junk make a MESS on a rifle I was glass bedding.  Whatever was in it was incompatible with my mold release and I spent a looong time getting all the bedding compound off of the metal.
Switched to US made sculptor's clay and have had no more trouble.
  
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