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crypto
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restocking a sharps
Mar 23rd, 2005 at 12:46pm
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Greetings,

Newperson here. Need a book and or info that will show me a proper procedure to restock a Sharps action. This rifle, barreled and chambered for .219 Zipper Imp. was given to me by a gunsmith who is unfortunately deceased. I also have a Marlin Ballard action that needs a stock.

I live in the San Francisco Bay area would like to meet or correspond with other falling block enthusiasts.  I am a mostly retired toolmaker, have a complete shop in my home.

I hope this posting succeeds my previous effort has apparently vanished into another dimension.

Thank you,  Oscar

  
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Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2005 at 2:25pm
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Hello Oscar and welcome.  You can look up Treebone Carving web site and buy a semi-inleted stock from George Peterson. Treebone Carving is located in N.M. and only offers stocks for single shot rifles.  You will have to do some fitting, sanding & finish yourself. If you haven't done this before, I strongly suggest you send the bbl/action to a pro. Sidelock rifles/guns HAVE to be fitted properly/tightly or they won't hold together. I can suggest a few guys who do this work that I have do work for me If you wish.   Ken
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2005 at 4:19pm
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Welcome crypto;
                        You have foundthe place to correspond with falling- block enthusiast. The Sharps and Marlin Ballard are two of the harder buttstocks to make, the Sharps because of the side-plate and the Ballard because of the thru-bolt. I strongly suggest you get in touch with Gearge Peterson at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) and get a couple of his pre-inletted stocks.
            If you decide to start with a blank I might suggest that you drill the thru-bolt hole for the Ballard as a first step. because the hole will probably not come out where it was intended. After you've done a couple pre-inleted stocks then on your third falling-block [and no one is happy with just two] you can start on that nice big fancy peice of wood with a hatchet.   leadball
  
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Re: restocking a sharps
Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2005 at 5:45pm
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Oscar:

My O My. A toolmaker with tool machines, a love for single shots and time on his hands. That is one dangerous combination. Look what happened to me...

I don't do wood, but there is at least one stockmaker on this forum what could be of some help. You might also try the gunsmithing forum over at the Accruate Arms website. There are some stockmakers over there. 

Best of luck to you!

Glenn
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 23rd, 2005 at 5:48pm
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Hi Oscar, & welcome,
From the fact that your rifle is chambered for the 219 Improved, I suspect that your Sharps may be the hammerless 1878 Borchardt model with a drawbolt instead of a big hammer on the sideplate & tang screws. If this is the case then your task will be a lot easier, George at Treebone can still supply a semi-inlet or you can easily do the job yourself.

I possess most of the gunsmithing books published in this country but am not aware of any good instructions for stocking a Sharps. If your rifle is the sidehammer model then you'd be WELL advised IMO to either leave the job to a knowledgeable person or else buy a Treebone semi-inlet & get a knowledgeable person to advise you, up close & personal, while you fit it.

If you have the hammerless model then things are much much easier, especially for a man with a lathe. My procedure is to make a full-size paper drawing of the barreled action with the bore line extended to the rear. I usually lay out the bore line first, then line up the barreled action on the paper and trace around it while it's lined up with the bore line. Then it's just a matter of finding a rifle or shotgun that fits you, and laying it over the tracing until the bore lines & trigger locations coincide. You then trace around the stock & pistol-grip outline onto your paper. It's A Good Idea to try this with several other rifle stocks & compare the tracings 'cause using only one example/effort might lead to an error. Play with these pencil tracing buttstock outlines and decide upon a final shape, then mark it permanently.

After you're happy with the fullsize outline of the proposed new stock shape & have marked it unmistakeably, cut it out with scissors & use it for a pattern. Lay it on the side of the blank, mark it & cut the outline with a bandsaw, leaving about 1/8" extra all the way around. Then drill the throughbolt hole on the lathe, on the centerlines of course. It's important to maintain your centerlines throughout the entire process, BTW. The centerline of the drawbolt hole can easily be determined by extending the line of the drawbolt itself when screwed into the rear of the action. After the drawbolt hole is drilled, then it's just a matter of following the instructions in the book.

Two books that will aid you greatly are Al Linden's 'Stockmaking' and David Wesbrook's 'Professional 'Stockmaking'. Both deal with bolt-action rifles but the basic principles are the same for all stocks as far as the actual wood removal & finishing is concerned. These books will help greatly even if you use a semi-inlet instead of a blank.

If you choose to do the work yourself, you WILL have questions. Please don't hesitate to contact me via e-mail & I'll do whatever I can to help.
Good luck, Joe
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2005 at 3:06am
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My thanks to one and all for your helpful and friendly welcome. I should have added that my gunsmith friend left me all of his gear. This included many pieces of gunstock blanks and several old falling block actions. The gunsmithing paraphenalia has been gathering dust for several years.  I felt I should respond to this falling block challenge that my friend left in my hands while I am still enjoying good health.

Joe, thank you for the detailed advice. My friend's collection of books does include Al Linden's restocking book. I shall follow your advice and shall begin to study this book. I enjoy the photos in the book, Linden's bench is even more cluttered than mine. 

Even tho I have a surplus of blanks I intend to make a prototype of some soft pine to get the feel of this project. I'd hate to accidentally spoil any of those beautiful blanks that he personally selected.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2005 at 8:42pm
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The gunsmith, would he be George Fumer, of 52nd st, oakland, CA? I last saw him about fifteen years ago and he was at least 70 years then. He did some work on my dad's Sharps-Borcharch rifle after it broke both cocking plates(at the same time) also he bushed the firing pin-my dad said it was fine George said this gun's going to around a lot longer than you-save it for the next generation.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2005 at 3:07am
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My error. I mistakenly thought that you had offered the name of another gunsmith in Oakland. But no, my friend was Joe Harrison. However this name that you mentioned just might still be a viable lead. I'll look him up tomorrow, heck I'll be 83 in a couple of months and I'm just as active in my shop as I have ever been.

Joe's interest were in varmint and target shooting the .222 magnum in his own handcrafted Krag action rifles. I believe that if he had lived he would have turned all of the old falling block actions that he left me into .222s.

Altho I wish to start by stocking  the .219 Zipper I look forward to restoring a black powder rifle such as the 32-40 barreled Borchardt action that he left me.
  
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Re: restocking a sharps
Reply #8 - Mar 27th, 2005 at 2:35pm
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Oscar,
Was your friend Harrison, J.E. Harrison, formerly of Mission Street, San Francisco, and was he a nut on fancy penmanship?

Bill (zach)
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2005 at 1:56am
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The processes of this website are a bit confusing to this venerable one. I hear sweet music and a sweet voice telling me I have two messages------but, madam howinell do I get to them? 

Zack/Bill, 

In case the previous message didn't make it, yes, that must be the same Joe Harrison. He left me a stack of gun books and the pages of everyone of them is filled with his annotations. In beautiful penmanship of course. Lived aroound the corner from me, he just walked into my shop one day and asked to use my bandsaw. Gosh, that must have been 15 years or so ago. I hadn't looked at the stuff he left me in probably 10 years. I'd guess he died 10-12 years ago. 

Oscar
  
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