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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 722 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Oct 25^th, 2026 at 10:24am	Print Post
	I am looking for information on the timelines for palm rest use in the offhand shooting sports. There was a time where "appendages where not allowed in smallbore and other sports. And I don not recall ever seeing any original German Schuetzen rifles with pal rests. And even Ballard #6, 6.5, 8, 9, 10 etc. typically are cataloged sans palm rest. Is there any documentation out there detailing the progression. Thank you, Charles


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18378 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #1 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	bohemianway wrote on Oct 25^th, 2026 at 10:24am: I am looking for information on the timelines for palm rest use in the offhand shooting sports. There was a time where "appendages where not allowed in smallbore and other sports. And I don not recall ever seeing any original German Schuetzen rifles with pal rests. And even Ballard #6, 6.5, 8, 9, 10 etc. typically are cataloged sans palm rest. Is there any documentation out there detailing the progression. Thank you, Charles Marlin never offered a palm rest on any scheutzen model, but Winchester did on their 1885 scheutzen models.

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Jonathan Full Member Offline Posts: 197 Location: THE GOOD PART OF NY Joined: Sep 5^th, 2025	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #2 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	Palm rests were a hot topic around 1900. In Dr. Hudson's book he talks about the heated controversy between those who hated them and those thought that they should be allowed. He was on the pro side. I loved the illustration that one of the antis made under the title "WHATS NEXT"? showing a fellow with a cage resting on his shoulders with his rifle resting on the bars. The same controversy surrounded scopes for a while but it was soon realized that they could help a lot of shooters with poorer vision stay in the game.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18378 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #3 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	There was a shooter who showed up at the Zettler Bros. Gallery to shoot his Ballard in a match and he had mounted the barreled action on a long wooden pole. It looked like he was a trapeze artist who planned to shoot off a high wire! It caused a big stir from what I read, but nothing in the rules to stop him. In the end his idea proved to allow the gun to balance perfectly, but fatigue from holding the big old pole on his shoulder like a bazooka didn't let him win any matches, or any friends either!

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2352 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	I think the first factory guns to come with palmrests were Model 44 Stevens schuetzen rifles and Winchester Helm schuetzens.
	« Last Edit: Oct 25^th, 2026 at 8:14pm by Schutzenbob »

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bohemianway Oldtimer Offline Posts: 722 Location: Andover, MN Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	I just realized that Meunier percussion schuetzen rifles typically had palm rests,


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2002 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2026 at 10:32pm	Print Post
	I believe the guy with the pole was at Davenport and he was a Stieff (Famous teddy bears) family member. We have several pictures of him shooting in the shooting house during a match. It had to be a real pain to shoot.
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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2002 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #7 - yesterday at 7:36pm	Print Post
	Hope the pictures are sized ok


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18378 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #8 - yesterday at 8:05pm	Print Post
	bnice wrote on Oct 25^th, 2026 at 10:32pm: I believe the guy with the pole was at Davenport and he was a Stieff (Famous teddy bears) family member. We have several pictures of him shooting in the shooting house during a match. It had to be a real pain to shoot. He or someone who copied his idea shot at Zettler Bros. gallery in New York City also.

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RJ-35-40 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 418 Location: Saint Augustine Joined: Dec 7^th, 2016	Re: When did palm rests become legitimate in Schuetzen Reply #9 - yesterday at 8:50pm	Print Post
	Pictures look good, although I never knew bazookas where part of Schuezten bnice wrote yesterday at 7:36pm: Hope the pictures are sized ok


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