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Yesterday at 8:56am
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Got a new aluminium mold fom Accurate Molds. After about a hundred bullets with cold laps on the side of the bullets soaked the mold in acetone. That didn't work. Vented the top edges. That didn't work. Warshed it in hot water and dish soap using a scrub brush and gave it a  thorough warshing. That didn't work. Opened up the sprue plate hole. That didn't work. Smoked the cavity with Acetylene soot. That worked. Casts perfect bullets now. 

Why?   Huh
  

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Reply #1 - yesterday at 9:42am
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I normaly smoke my aluminum molds with a butane lighter. Usually a grill liter as its much easier to use without burning your fingers.  What the coating of carbon does is to actualy slow the cooling process. That allows the bullet to fully fill out the mold before it sets up. I know it sounds odd that such a thin coat would do that but that is what has been explained to me over the years.  All I know is that it works. Makes your molds look a bit nasty but the results is you get good bullets. 
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Reply #2 - yesterday at 10:14am
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nuclearcricket wrote yesterday at 9:42am:
I normaly smoke my aluminum molds with a butane lighter. Usually a grill liter as its much easier to use without burning your fingers.  What the coating of carbon does is to actualy slow the cooling process. That allows the bullet to fully fill out the mold before it sets up. I know it sounds odd that such a thin coat would do that but that is what has been explained to me over the years.  All I know is that it works. Makes your molds look a bit nasty but the results is you get good bullets. 
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Ditto. It got to the point where I scooted past all the mold prep, scrubbing, etc. and went straight to the soot in a new aluminum mold, and all is now right in my world.
  
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Reply #3 - yesterday at 10:30am
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I have a lifetime supply of cheap birthday candles that I use. I might try some acetone soot though. Can you send me a jar of soot to try?
  

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Reply #4 - yesterday at 11:40am
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Soot in a jar or from a lighter or a candle - soot yourself.
  
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Reply #5 - yesterday at 12:00pm
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Never had a problem requiring soot for my steel molds to drop well formed bullets after I preheated them.

I do vent the mold faces to ensure the base edge fully fills and prevents rounded bases from trapped air.

Since then I tried a brass mold and they throw bullets better than the steel molds.

Both the steel and brass molds do not wear like aluminum molds.
  
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Reply #6 - yesterday at 2:33pm
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I have read, and don't know how much truth there is to it but I have seen it said that soot from candles can leave a bit of an oily film on your molds and that can prevent it from making good bullets. Better to use a butane lighter to smoke them with. 
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nuclearcricket wrote yesterday at 9:42am:
I normaly smoke my aluminum molds with a butane lighter. Usually a grill liter as its much easier to use without burning your fingers.  What the coating of carbon does is to actualy slow the cooling process. That allows the bullet to fully fill out the mold before it sets up. I know it sounds odd that such a thin coat would do that but that is what has been explained to me over the years.  All I know is that it works. Makes your molds look a bit nasty but the results is you get good bullets. 
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Same conclusion I came to. The soot becomes an insulator that does not allow heat to leave the cavity/suface of the aluminium.
  

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Reply #8 - yesterday at 7:20pm
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I bought a 150gr 30 cal double Accurate mold and it still won't cast a bullet without wrinkles. I tried all the aforementioned methods to clean it to no avail. I used candle soot and oxy soot but neither helped. My alloy was 20 to one and my temp was good so I just stopped trying to use it.



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Reply #9 - Today at 10:44am
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I grabbed kne of my wifes candlesticks that lives on my workbench now. I havent had issues with casting good looking bullets, but I do have issues with the bullets sticking in the mold that requires quite a bit of smacking the handles with a wood mallet to get the bullet to fall.

When that starts, I smoke the mold with the candle and the bullets fall right out. After the mold cools, I oil it up, and before I use it again,  I blast it with brake cleaner and wipe out the cavity with a q tip.
  
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Reply #10 - Today at 12:39pm
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All of my new to me molds, steel/iron, brass or aluminum, get the same treatment. A couple of rounds of a toothbrush and alcohol and wiped carefully with a dry patch. After that, nothing but hot lead, ever. The new mold is checked for proper sprue plate mold clearance and for mold half tightness. If there is any gap it is taken out by filing any raised edge around the locating pin hole or if the locating pin is not extended enough resetting it.   The molds are preheated on an electric hotplate set on medium for the entire time the lead (mostly 20 to 1 or for a few certain molds, 16 to 1 - nothing but pure lead and tin) is melting to 750 degrees. I spout ladle cast alternating 2 molds as fast as I can pour (holding the spout on the mold for a count of 3 to 5) setting that mold down and picking up the second, cutting the sprue/s and dumping the bullet/s in a half full bucket of water (it's just the way I have always done it), refilling that mold, setting it down and picking up the first and repeat. If there ever was a tendency for a bullet to stick in a half of the mold I would use the Paul Jones method of putting a little upward pressure on one half of the mold while opening it. If you really feel the need to smoke a mold, I would suggest using an old kitchen match for the best soot.
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