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Aug 26th, 2026 at 12:21am
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Picked it up Saturday at the Hamilton match. Just finished doing adjustments and adding sights. 33-40 caliber.
  

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Reply #1 - Aug 26th, 2026 at 9:55am
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Joe, Jack and I are salivating.  Smiley
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 26th, 2026 at 11:29am
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I am crying.  I struck out in an Oregon. Maybe get have to get some treatment for withdrawal symptoms. Nice rifle Wes.
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 26th, 2026 at 11:32am
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A real beauty Joe!
I always liked the Laudensak version over the Helm versions.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 26th, 2026 at 11:37am
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Good looking rifle!  Congrats.
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Reply #5 - Aug 26th, 2026 at 12:13pm
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Joe that looks great. If I saw it in the rack I would know it was one of your rifles Smiley
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 26th, 2026 at 3:13pm
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Wow.  You sure pick up some beautiful rifles!
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 26th, 2026 at 8:17pm
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It was just sitting there looking all glittery and nice and since I suffer from Anamnioticitis, I bit. Mike Otterberg also suffers from the ailment so he bought a gorgious Ballard. We couldn't help ourselves.  In a hundred years.....

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Reply #8 - Aug 27th, 2026 at 10:00am
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when you have an attack that ends up with a rifle like you got there, it isn't suffering. good word, Jose'.  Smiley
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 27th, 2026 at 11:32am
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I don't ever see anything as nice as that around here.  If and when I ever do, my wallet will get friction burns from getting the cash out so fast  Smiley

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Reply #10 - Aug 27th, 2026 at 4:01pm
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Mr. Turner,

That is a very nice-looking 1885. Great find. I trust you shot well and that everyone had a good time.

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Reply #11 - Aug 27th, 2026 at 4:50pm
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Where were you Rick?  I did not shoot well. Had a good time however. It was a good match with a good turnout.

Kevin Ericson shot well as usual. A new to us shooter Robb Kauffman shot well also taking second place.

Had the new rifle out shooting today. Windy and no windflags as usual. Had some nice tight groupings in the patterns. The bullet I thought would work was awful and the NEI two diameter spitzer bullet I didn't think would work shot best.  Sad

Maybe you make it next year?

  

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Reply #12 - Aug 27th, 2026 at 8:32pm
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Wes

I just got an email signed by all of your Ballard rifles complaining about your new Winchester. They threatened to never shoot well again if you keep that Dick Binger high wall.  Don’t worry though my high walls have agreed to adopt it immediately.
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 28th, 2026 at 9:27am
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Maybe that's why I didn't score well. My shots did not go to call at all. The Binger HW was purchased on Saturday morning before the match started. Was shooting a Ballard in the match.
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 28th, 2026 at 11:21am
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See I told you. Better get rid of the Winchester.
  

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Reply #15 - Aug 28th, 2026 at 11:31am
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Hello Mr. Turner, 

I was busy having a consultation with the surgeon who will replace my hip in two weeks. Otherwise, I would have been there. Kept me from traveling. I watched the match video and recognized a few people. I put the match on my calendar for next year.

Have my room reserved for Raton next August. They fill up fast.

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Reply #16 - Aug 28th, 2026 at 11:53am
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Brandy, my dizzy blonde had hip surgery earlier this year.  Went to visit her in the hospital the day of her surgery. She was already home walking around. She told me a robot did the surgery.

My room is reserved also.
  

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Reply #17 - Aug 29th, 2026 at 11:52am
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My wife had a hip replaced last year.
Took to surgery at 7am.
Surgery done by 8 am.
Walking at 10am
Walking up and down steps by 11am.
Went home at 3pm.
Our bedroom is up stairs and see walked up the steps by herself that night and back down in the morning.

I was totally blown away by this!
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Reply #18 - Aug 29th, 2026 at 12:24pm
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Last time I went in for a surgery I told them I don't want any details. Told them to just make sure they do the correct side. If they told me the details I wouldn't want the surgery done. Had three hernia ops. They put a screen door in the third time. Been good ever since. 

So, they have me laying naked on my back on the table and it's cold in the operating room. A nurse asks me which side they are doing and I put my finger there. She makes an X with a sharpie. Perfect!
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 29th, 2026 at 12:44pm
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When I had my right knee replaced the surgeon and the anesthesiologist both signed their names just above the correct knee. Afterwards, I started watching a video of how they do it and stopped when they were using a hammer and sharp blade to shave a flat spot on the upper knee. I did get a photo.
  

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Reply #20 - Aug 29th, 2026 at 5:30pm
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Man, I thought I had ugly legs. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 29th, 2026 at 7:46pm
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bobw wrote on Aug 29th, 2026 at 11:52am:
My wife had a hip replaced last year.
Took to surgery at 7am.
Surgery done by 8 am.
Walking at 10am
Walking up and down steps by 11am.
Went home at 3pm.
Our bedroom is up stairs and see walked up the steps by herself that night and back down in the morning.

I was totally blown away by this!
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That's really impressive.  A couple of yeas ago my brothers father in law got his hip replaced and they had to lift him onto the porch with a Bobcat with the forklift attachment.  He used a cane for at least a few weeks after too. 
  
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Reply #22 - Aug 30th, 2026 at 7:29pm
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Binger banger now has a palm rest. 

And I marked a couple cases so they're easier to find. Chamber is a straight taper version. Breech seating only?
 
Now a match to shoot it in. Or maybe I should practice.
  

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Reply #23 - Aug 30th, 2026 at 7:41pm
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marlinguy wrote on Aug 26th, 2026 at 11:32am:
A real beauty Joe!
I always liked the Laudensak version over the Helm versions.


I like the looks of the Laudensack over the Helm. The high comb has a tendency to bite your cheek if you are a stock crawler like me. The Laudensack butt plate is much better than the Helm which digs into the back of my arm. The lower Helm prong has a sharp point and it curves up. My highest OH scores are with a Helm.
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 4th, 2026 at 2:07pm
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It's a shooter. 200 yards iron sights, no windflags. Out early setting up in the dark to catch calm winds. 

Using a scope, put three in the 25 ring and two in the 24 ring. Not a speck of lead in the bore.
  

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Reply #25 - Sep 4th, 2026 at 2:36pm
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Winchester Helm vs. Laudensack
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 4th, 2026 at 5:26pm
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8 ball palm rest.
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 4th, 2026 at 8:41pm
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Was this rifle one of Clark Ehler's Collection that Robb Kauffman brought to the Match to sell? Clark had an awesome single shot rifle collection. I do not imagine he owned a rifle that would not shoot well. I am anxiously awaiting delivery of 3 of his rifles I bought from Rock Island Auction. They are not quite as attractive as your Highwall but I expect them to all shoot top level.
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 4th, 2026 at 10:50pm
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Yes it is. Had a few issues and no sights but it's ready to go now. 

Robb and Angi told me there were 600 rifles in Clarks collection. I got this one and a Ballard #6. Both very nice. Both very accurate.
Looking forward to seeing your rifles should you decide to show them.
  

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Reply #29 - Sep 6th, 2026 at 3:15am
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The barrel on this rifle is not the barrel R Binger installed on it originally. The forestock does not fit the barrel perfect. Needs wood scraped out to make it fit right.

Bore is .339, 8 grooves. Only mark on the barrel is a # 3 stamped in the usual place for barrel weight.

Dick says he built the rifle in the eighties and that it's an antique like he is at 81.
  

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Reply #30 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 1:53am
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First OH target with Dick Bingers rifle. The rifle fits me well. Pay no attention to the shot's on the left. Strays. 
Caliber is 33-40. Load was 14.5 gr 4227 under a Ron Long 240 gr spitzer. Bullets hit the target a bit tipped. Might try 15 gr powder. Seems a little anemic with 14.5.
  

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Reply #31 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 11:37am
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I have a 33/357 Max that I have not shot yet. Does anyone know how close the loads would be to a 33-40. Guessing they must be similar.
  
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Reply #32 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 12:24pm
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What kind of rifle? 33-357MAX. Odd one. First one I've heard of. 

My guess would be 12 gr H108/AA #9. Breech seated in a strong rifle.

If a Ballard and I owned it, would chamber to 33-40.
  

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Reply #33 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 12:49pm
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Joe, you don't remember my 33/357 Max, in my Borchardt?

My best load was 13.5 gr #9, with a 240 gr bullet, breach seated.

These are all 200 yard targets, shot in matches but, the Pope target, is with your Pope bullet, shot in practice, at Spokane.
  

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Reply #34 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 1:11pm
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I forgot Frank. Yes I remember when you tried the Pope bullets at Tommy's.

But still, 33-357 MAX is a rare one, I think...  Undecided
  

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Reply #35 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 2:00pm
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I called it a 33 ELCO, ELCO being the name of my machine shop (Elliott Company).

The chamber was made by running a a neck and throat reamer, in to 1.610 and then coming back in with a 223, piloted reamer to make a neck length of .33.

The 223 shoulder and the 33 neck are the same diameter so, there is no shoulder.
  

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Reply #36 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 3:12pm
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Mine is a Miller Action. One of Clark Ehlers Collection. Was fortunate to get 100 cases with it and I also bought a couple of Clark's 33 cal molds in the 240-250gr range. Hopefully will be a good shooter. There was a note in the case box referencing AA#9. The rifle was set up for benchrest.
  
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Reply #37 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 3:40pm
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#9 was the only powder that I could get to shoot like the targets show. the rest of the powders I tried grouped at least 25% bigger and usually spread open sideways.

Primers, also made a difference Rem #7 1/2 were the best, CCI SR BR were second.
  

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Reply #38 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 8:05pm
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Sorry to Westerner for side tracking his HW tread. Looks like my 33-357Max case is real simple to make. I just ran a virgin 357 Max into a 223 die part way and it chambers in my rifle, no trimming required. Frank, Thanks for the load info. I have some Rem 7 1/2 and #9 so I have a good start point. If my rifle shoots anywhere close to what yours will I will be grinning from ear to ear. A few of the cases that came with the rifle were loaded with powder with floral foam on top. I weighed a couple charges, 14.3gr of what appears to be #9. There was also another fine powder in a few cases that was blacker in color and looked much like the current Enforcer powder.
  
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Reply #39 - Oct 6th, 2026 at 2:35pm
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frnkeore wrote on Oct 5th, 2026 at 12:49pm:
Joe, you don't remember my 33/357 Max, in my Borchardt?

My best load was 13.5 gr #9, with a 240 gr bullet, breach seated.

These are all 200 yard targets, shot in matches but, the Pope target, is with your Pope bullet, shot in practice, at Spokane.


Those are all great targets Frank, but that first one is beyond great! Amazing!
  

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Reply #40 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 11:54am
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Latest Binger group. Unable to get Unique so tried TiteGroup which burns even faster than Unique. 240 gr Ron Long bullet. Started at 5 gr and increased the powder charge until groups tightened up. No windflags but was able to see mirage direction in the scope. I have no idea why four shots went high right. Barrel twist is right hand.
Testing from the bench is a necessary evil that I must endure.   
This was my first time using TiteGroup powder. Good so far.
  

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Reply #41 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 3:46pm
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Why are you thinking Unique and Tite Group powder?

Jerry H shot a 33/40 for years, before he went to the 25 cal. He did very well with it. You might see what he used for a load.
  

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Reply #42 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 5:54pm
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9.8 grains per shot verses 14.5. TiteGroup 42.00 a pound.
I squeak when I walk... Hodgdon TiteWad? Hmmm Wink

This is my second .33. I know how to get a good load. What works in Jerry's 33 may not work in mine. 

Doubt I will ever shoot the rifle in a BR match but do want it to be as accurate as I can get it without breaking the bank.
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Reply #43 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 7:10pm
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There is also BE 86. It took the place of B'Eye.
  

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Reply #44 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 7:37pm
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Frank, it was cheap and it said TiteGroup. What else could I ask for?
  

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Reply #45 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 8:11pm
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Hi bpjack, this is a photo of my wife's knee.
The gap between the two bones so different from your knee.
It wasn't the success she thought it would be.
I wonder if there is a surgeon looking in on this post for his comment.
  
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