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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12628 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #30 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 1:53am	Print Post
	First OH target with Dick Bingers rifle. The rifle fits me well. Pay no attention to the shot's on the left. Strays. Caliber is 33-40. Load was 14.5 gr 4227 under a Ron Long 240 gr spitzer. Bullets hit the target a bit tipped. Might try 15 gr powder. Seems a little anemic with 14.5.

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joelpend Full Member Offline Posts: 125 Location: Central North Carolina Joined: Dec 29^th, 2015	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #31 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 11:37am	Print Post
	I have a 33/357 Max that I have not shot yet. Does anyone know how close the loads would be to a 33-40. Guessing they must be similar.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12628 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #32 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	What kind of rifle? 33-357MAX. Odd one. First one I've heard of. My guess would be 12 gr H108/AA #9. Breech seated in a strong rifle. If a Ballard and I owned it, would chamber to 33-40.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7775 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #33 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Joe, you don't remember my 33/357 Max, in my Borchardt? My best load was 13.5 gr #9, with a 240 gr bullet, breach seated. These are all 200 yard targets, shot in matches but, the Pope target, is with your Pope bullet, shot in practice, at Spokane.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12628 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #34 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	I forgot Frank. Yes I remember when you tried the Pope bullets at Tommy's. But still, 33-357 MAX is a rare one, I think...

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7775 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #35 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 2:00pm	Print Post
	I called it a 33 ELCO, ELCO being the name of my machine shop (Elliott Company). The chamber was made by running a a neck and throat reamer, in to 1.610 and then coming back in with a 223, piloted reamer to make a neck length of .33. The 223 shoulder and the 33 neck are the same diameter so, there is no shoulder.

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joelpend Full Member Offline Posts: 125 Location: Central North Carolina Joined: Dec 29^th, 2015	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #36 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 3:12pm	Print Post
	Mine is a Miller Action. One of Clark Ehlers Collection. Was fortunate to get 100 cases with it and I also bought a couple of Clark's 33 cal molds in the 240-250gr range. Hopefully will be a good shooter. There was a note in the case box referencing AA#9. The rifle was set up for benchrest.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7775 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #37 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	#9 was the only powder that I could get to shoot like the targets show. the rest of the powders I tried grouped at least 25% bigger and usually spread open sideways. Primers, also made a difference Rem #7 1/2 were the best, CCI SR BR were second.

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joelpend Full Member Offline Posts: 125 Location: Central North Carolina Joined: Dec 29^th, 2015	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #38 - Oct 5^th, 2026 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	Sorry to Westerner for side tracking his HW tread. Looks like my 33-357Max case is real simple to make. I just ran a virgin 357 Max into a 223 die part way and it chambers in my rifle, no trimming required. Frank, Thanks for the load info. I have some Rem 7 1/2 and #9 so I have a good start point. If my rifle shoots anywhere close to what yours will I will be grinning from ear to ear. A few of the cases that came with the rifle were loaded with powder with floral foam on top. I weighed a couple charges, 14.3gr of what appears to be #9. There was also another fine powder in a few cases that was blacker in color and looked much like the current Enforcer powder.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18358 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #39 - Oct 6^th, 2026 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	frnkeore wrote on Oct 5^th, 2026 at 12:49pm: Joe, you don't remember my 33/357 Max, in my Borchardt? My best load was 13.5 gr #9, with a 240 gr bullet, breach seated. These are all 200 yard targets, shot in matches but, the Pope target, is with your Pope bullet, shot in practice, at Spokane. Those are all great targets Frank, but that first one is beyond great! Amazing!

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12628 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #40 - Oct 10^th, 2026 at 11:54am	Print Post
	Latest Binger group. Unable to get Unique so tried TiteGroup which burns even faster than Unique. 240 gr Ron Long bullet. Started at 5 gr and increased the powder charge until groups tightened up. No windflags but was able to see mirage direction in the scope. I have no idea why four shots went high right. Barrel twist is right hand. Testing from the bench is a necessary evil that I must endure. This was my first time using TiteGroup powder. Good so far.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7775 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #41 - Oct 10^th, 2026 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Why are you thinking Unique and Tite Group powder? Jerry H shot a 33/40 for years, before he went to the 25 cal. He did very well with it. You might see what he used for a load.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12628 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #42 - Oct 10^th, 2026 at 5:54pm	Print Post
	9.8 grains per shot verses 14.5. TiteGroup 42.00 a pound. I squeak when I walk... Hodgdon TiteWad? Hmmm This is my second .33. I know how to get a good load. What works in Jerry's 33 may not work in mine. Doubt I will ever shoot the rifle in a BR match but do want it to be as accurate as I can get it without breaking the bank.
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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7775 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #43 - Oct 10^th, 2026 at 7:10pm	Print Post
	There is also BE 86. It took the place of B'Eye.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Online deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12628 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Dick Binger HW Reply #44 - Oct 10^th, 2026 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	Frank, it was cheap and it said TiteGroup. What else could I ask for?

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