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Casting large vs small bullets
Aug 15th, 2026 at 9:39pm
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Before I got into schuetzen,  the only thing I really cast were pistol bullets, and 45-70 bpcr bullets. I started sorting them by weight, and ended up with a large spread, which i figured was normal. Then i got into schuetzen and cast up .32's and .28's that are much more consistent. 

Today was a "cool" California summer day (only 95 degrees!) so i fired up the 20lb Lee pot and started ladleing the lead. I cast up 100 .32's the ranged from 178.9 - 179.3, then 100 .28's that were between 152.7 - 153.2. I was plenty happy with the results,  but then moved onto 45's. I cast up 170 thet were between 531 - 533.6, which is about my normal spread on these.

Why would the spread be so much larger on the bigger bullets? I suppose i have been spoiled with my Paul Jones and John Louis molds... 

The only thought I have is that with the smaller bullets, the lead level in the pot doesn't change much, but by the time I get 80 of the 45's, the lead level is getting low, and that may affect the temp, which could affect weight?
  
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Re: Casting large vs small bullets
Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2026 at 10:13pm
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You probably have to look at it as a percentage rather than the absolute value in tenths of grains.   

I don't see a huge difference between my 45 cal black powder bullets and my 32-40 bullets.  Today I cast 100 bullets from a Mos 32 mold and over 90 of the bullets were either 199.9 or 200.0 gr.   Normally when casting my 45 cal Buffalo Arms bullets, once they come up to weight, they will be +/- 0.2 or 0.3 gr.  So you are right, more, but as a percentage maybe about the same?

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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2026 at 10:14pm
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Also I'm pretty impressed that you cast in 95 degree temps.  I'm from the west coast of Canada.  If it gets over 80 degrees I'm looking for some shade  Cheesy
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2026 at 10:15pm
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I think if you look at the percentage of weight variation, they will be Pretty consistent. .5%
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2026 at 10:30pm
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gunlaker wrote on Aug 15th, 2026 at 10:14pm:
Also I'm pretty impressed that you cast in 95 degree temps.  I'm from the west coast of Canada.  If it gets over 80 degrees I'm looking for some shade  Cheesy


Gotta do what you gotta do. My stock has been running low, and i shot the last of my bpcr bullets in May, and we start again in a couple weeks. Shot the last of my schutzen bullets last month, and our match is next weekend...
  
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Reply #5 - yesterday at 9:59am
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I agree with Chris and Todd on the percentages, bigger bullets but the percentage difference is negligible.  Not sure about you, but even when I shoot and practice everyday, that half a percent weight variation isn't measurable - too many other non-tangible variables come in to play.

What I don't get, you're doing this a week in advance??? Hot or Cold, it doesn't matter.  Rarely do I have my casting done much earlier than the night before departure or the match.   I haven't taken it to the level some I know do and take the lead pot and molds with them and cast in the motel room, for that time, I have that set aside for decapping, priming, charging and if it's fixed ammo, seating the bullet... Grin Grin
Since that earlier post about how much casing is hated, I've been going to therapy and my therapist has me practicing the power of positive thinking, "keep telling yourself how much you like shooting and to continue, you love casting".
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Reply #6 - yesterday at 4:33pm
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95 isn't too bad, kinda mild for Texas temps by comparison. I was able to visit the sweat lodge and made a bunch of 32cal and 40cal bullets a few days ago when the clouds were thick and it was only 98

As far as variance in larger calibers, I've noticed similar effects. I think there is something to be said for the volume of lead which fills the mold, ie less to go wrong with a smaller bullet since it fills the mold much faster. Small variances in your tempo and pour don't show up as much when you are pouring <200 gr of lead compared to >400 gr. I know that the volume of lead in my ladle can really change the results of my 45cal molds to completely fill out all the bands, so I try to grab as full of a ladle as possible. The smaller bullets aren't as finicky as the big pills. I try to be as consistent as possible, but I also try to cast as many as possible without overheating the mold.
Another factor could be the thermal capacity of the mold to reach and stay at what I call "thermal nirvana". Depending on what the mold is made of, I can say that my larger bullets are much more difficult to get to nirvana than the smaller bullets. How the mold responds to your tempo could play a role in the quality of the casts. Each mold is unique and what works for one doesn't always translate to another. Example, ive found that the 32 mold only needs 750 degree lead to throw great bullets, whereas my 530gr 45cal mold won't throw a decent bullet unless the lead pot is at 800 or higher. 
If you are casting different bullets at the same time, you may be experiencing the variances more than if you casted a individual batch of bullets from one mold. I used to try multiple molds at the same time, but found that to be effort wasted because the variances were too much.
Two things that really increased my production quality was switching to ladle pouring and upgrading my equipment to an RCBS digital control lead pot. Things got a lot better after those changes.

also for hot weather, I started wearing head bands to soak up the sweat a little better. Nothing more exciting than a visit from the tinsel fairies when the sweat drips on the table and splashes into the molten quicksilver  Shocked
  
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Reply #7 - Today at 12:32am
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Sweat band isn't a bad idea! It was a good 10-15 degrees cooler this weekend,  so had to take advantage.  Gonna be hot and windy for our shoots Saturday,  maybe i should sabotage the batch my wife will be shooting?
  
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Re: Casting large vs small bullets
Reply #8 - Today at 9:38am
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I always use percentage when weighing my cast bullets, so my margins are tighter for lighter bullets weight wise, but the same percentage wise.
  

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Reply #9 - Today at 1:19pm
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My go to bullet for several of my 32-40s is the Borton/Darr 3 groove spitzer in a Hoch mould. With my bad back, I have cut my casting session shorter than it was a couple of years ago to 50-60 bullets. I have a tall swivel stool with a short back that I start with and end up standing for 5 or so bullets mid session. I like to go into match season with at least 600 match grade bullets sorted into .1 gr lots. So, I end up casting at least 2-3 mornings a week in the fall and winter. I did have to cast quite a bit this summer as I have been playing with other rifles and fixed ammo in a harder alloy for my DST 32-40 high wall. In this neck of the woods it is fairly cool in the morning even if it will get to the upper 80s in the afternoon so I get an early start. I hate pan lubing more than casting. That said I need some more of my spitzers before the mid September Tacoma match so I had better suck it up and turn the pot on. 

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