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Reply #15 - Aug 12th, 2026 at 11:19pm
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Some great advice given here, lots to learn from. The following is what has worked for me. Your mileage may vary, as they say.
1) get your natural point of aim as perfect as possible. I have been working on this lately with good results.
2) During the entire relay take long deep breaths and at the top of each breath, hold it for two or three seconds.
3) Once you have established your natural point of aim, settle into your position and raise the rifle, keeping your body as relaxed as possible. With a good offhand position you should be able to hold the rifle almost indefinitely without fatigue. Muscle strength is NOT required here, but a certain amount of conditioning is important, which you will acquire with practice. 
4) Keeping my body relaxed, with the rifle shouldered, I take three long deep breaths, and as the sights settle I  adjust  my torso position so that the sights tend to bottom out more or less centered on the target. On the last breath I  let about half out the breath and focus on minimizing my wobble area. If my wobble pattern consists of wild swings back and forth, I concentrate on eliminating the swing and getting the sights to more or less settle down in the area of the bullseye. Until that happens I try a few holds but avoid squeezing off a shot. Doing so during a swing results in a very poor score about 99 times out of 100.
Hopefully, after a few holds, the wobble area will settle down. At this point, as the wobble area slowly enters the bullseye (22 or better), IF the sights are moving very slowly, I will tighten up my grip on the rifle and the palm rest and squeeze off the shot with a light touch of the set trigger. Trigger technique is key here, of course. I will NOT hold the rifle tight enough to get white knuckles, that only increases the wobble area, but I need to hold it tight enough to control the muzzle jump. Rimfire practice is great for a lot of things, but if I  dont practice with my  centerfire often enough, recoil will ruin a lot of shots, and by the time I adjust to it, the match is over. 
If I cant get the shot off within 7-10 seconds I exhale and start over. 
Years ago, the sights would settle on the bullseye and wait for me to pull the trigger. Those days are over now, so I have to try to get off a shot during the brief period of time when the sights settle down .
To be continued...
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Reply #16 - Aug 12th, 2026 at 11:37pm
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Pardon me for the long post, here is the exciting conclusion:

I keep score on every shot as if I were at a match and try to duplicate the stress of shooting under pressure. I have also found that extraneous thoughts during the aiming process are the kiss of death. Not sure how to get rid of them, but I am working on it. 
I do not tighten my grip until the sights are settling down in the bullseye, and only maintain that grip for a second or two until the shot is fired. 
The point at which you should let the shot go depends on your comfort level with your amount of wobble. Hopefully, as your wobble area gets smaller over time, you will know what is right for you. Taking a swing at the bullseye as it passes through the sights never works for me, I need to have it move very slowly more or less centered on the bullseye. You have to develop or maintain a quick reaction time, which gets harder for me as I get older, at the same time not developing a jerk or disrupting the sights as you touch off the shot. Follow through is key here also, a good hold with poor follow through will ruin a good shot. 

This has been a process for me which is constantly evolving as I learn from the great advice of fellow shooters and my own experience. I hope it helps you out. 
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Reply #17 - Aug 12th, 2026 at 11:49pm
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OH shooting is way overthought. Stay in shape and practice. Everyone is different physically and mentally. 
The more you shoot the better you will be. 

If you are strong and in tip top condition you can hold the rifle up and aim longer. There will be a time to pull the trigger that is best. If you cannot hold your rifle up long enough for that to happen, you will make a bad shot. 

Mentally, you must always, be confident that you are the best shooter and you never accept a bad shot.   

There is no trick to it.
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Reply #18 - Aug 13th, 2026 at 8:02am
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Kind words from Chris, the best shooter I’ve ever known, and good advice from Westerner. 

Once a shooter has all the basics to the point they are automatic the only thing that’s important is target focus. Putting the bullet on the exact spot . It’s the same with all shooting sports, some examples.

Most difficult shotgun sport is Sporting clays. Wide variance in targets  path and distance 100 shot matches two in the air at a time 50 presentations.  Best shot ever George Digweed uses the tightest chokes possible even on very close targets. His reason  is target focus, shifting to open chokes knowing wide pattern makes it easier would make him sloppy. Better to focus hard and not rely on wide patterns to break the target.

Steel Challenge another it’s shot 4 classes Rim and Center Fire Rifle and pistol, all standing.   100 shot match 20 5 target strings scored by time required to hit 5. 10 shot magazines 200 shots allowed you can re-shoot a miss but go back and re shoot one adds time. 2 seconds minimum more if  it its takes multiple to hit.
Target size distance and placement varies shooter plans the speed and sequence. Only requirement ones painted yellow and stops the clock when struck.

The key to time and winning is plan were you want the bullet to strike, fast on large targets slow down and be sure on small and don’t  miss the yellow stop plate. Only way to do well is move the gun smooth target to target and pull the trigger as the sight acquires the desired spot. You can’t count on reshooting misses hitting all first shot is critical.

The guns are very accurate ones my grandson and I use are Ruger 10/22’s. His much modified stock and trigger mine from the Ruger custom shop improved compared to regular Barrel Trigger and stock. Both use red dot sights no magnification with varying quick change dot size shape and intensity 

Few months ago I was practicing on our club Single shot rim fire Ram Bash course 75 yards, with my iron sight CPA. When I was younger and eyesight was better 90 % hits my long run average. 9 out of 10. Now 80 % more like it. Had the Ruger in the car. Didn’t want to change the red dots zero figured top of the rams back gave center body hits.  The first run 10 hits, next same 10, third 9 hits. Forth 10 score 39 this going slow target to target Ram Bash pace not Steel challenge speed 

Ruger had a higher hit % shot placement due to the sight and shooter placing the bullet not the gun.

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Reply #19 - Aug 13th, 2026 at 9:46am
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Jack, come down here to practice. I will take you out into the desert and let you shoot. I'll come back for you after you are expert enough. Bring water.
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 13th, 2026 at 12:25pm
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Relax yer arse and practice.....
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 13th, 2026 at 6:13pm
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I will be interested when someone comes up with the technology to have the rifle fire itself when the cross hairs touch the 25 ring.  Then we will be discussing our slow swing technique.
  

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Reply #22 - Aug 13th, 2026 at 6:20pm
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Water we got.  At least on the west side of the state.  We have a rainforest in the northwest on the Olympic Peninsula.
  

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Reply #23 - Aug 13th, 2026 at 6:24pm
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We are still waiting on the "hard hold" technique explanation. Or did someone just make that up? Or overthink it up?

Actually I have tried stiffening myself up and holding the rifle hard when I've been frustrated trying to make a good score. It didn't help me much. Might have wore me out faster. 

I have shot excellent targets after consuming a beer or two. Maybe WW is right, relax your arse and shoot. Oh no, not in America! We're not all Irish!
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 13th, 2026 at 7:08pm
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My definition  of "Hard Hold", is holding for center and not moving in from the side, top or bottom. Just point the sights at the bull and shoot for center. If your grouping low, move the sights up.

I might add that you need to relax your body as much as possible and not bend your neck, either.

Let the rifle come to you, not bend yourself up to fit the rifle. 

I learned everything that I can't do, from a very good High Power shooter, that helped me start my club.

"Somes got it and somes don't". 

Very few do in this sport that was founded by manly OH shooters. When I started, in the '80's, there were at least 20, OH shooters that could average 220 scores or close to it. I don't know of anyone that can do that now.

I'm no good at OH but, I would like to see that kind of shooting again.

This might be interesting:

I started my club in '86 with that High Power shooter I spoke of, John Haas and he was best friends with with Richard Corbin of bullet swaging fame. He and his bro, Dave were still together at the time.

Richard was the best OH, HP shooter on the West Coast at the time. John got him to shoot a SS in practice once and I got to talk to him. I ask about why he thought that he shot well and I wasn't expecting the answer he gave. He said that he could "will" the rifle to hold, long enough to get the shot off.

I tried hard to get him to join the club and shoot with us, I even offered a rifle and ammo for him. But, he was getting married and had lost interest in shooting.
  

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Reply #25 - yesterday at 6:10pm
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Touch the shot off as it's coming into the center and not as it's "getting away"!
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