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Bottleneck cases and Black Powder
Aug 9th, 2026 at 1:49pm
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Years ago I set in at a match in Pembroke, MA. I was healing from shoulder surgery and just received my new Shilo Sharps. Unable to shoot I was horny to watch and listen to a group of older BP shooters. They all pretty much believed that bottleneck cases were a problem with BP. A couple guys claimed to have worked it out but nonetheless the consensus amongst these guys was that straight wall were just more accurate. 

Anybody know the reasoning for why bottleneck cases should be problematic or was this just idle chatter ?

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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2026 at 6:53pm
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Okay so I either lost my bait or catfish don't take lurers. Anyway problems with BP & BN's is BS

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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2026 at 7:27pm
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Anyone have comments on using reduced loads with fillers that begin below the shoulder?
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2026 at 7:36pm
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Black powder in bottleneck cases, ie. 44/90 etc. have different fowling issues and pressure spikes than straight cases. Once one figures that out, they shoot well…..


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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2026 at 8:05pm
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My Sharps .44-77 is a bottleneck, but seems to have no particular accuracy problems.  It isn’t an extreme bottleneck though, or a particularly high powder load for the caliber, like a .44-90 or .40-90 bottleneck.  My Shiloh has a 19” twist.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2026 at 8:06pm
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I shoot a 40-90 BN that I like very much.  The common assessment for the 40-90 is that it quickly builds hard fouling just in front of the chamber.  I have found that to be true but it does not mean the 40-90 is not accurate.
  The 40-90 was a long range target cartridge and worthy of the pursuit.  It just has to be treated differently when dealing with fouling.  It is capable of some very impressive long range performance but to do so for long strings of shots the bore must be wiped between shots.  This is not an uncommon practice for any black powder long range target cartridges or even for 40 rod shooting with smaller black powder cartridges like the 32-40 or 38-55.
   For hunting the 40-90 has no peer for velocity and it will hold very good accuracy at hunting range and for the number of shots possible in a normal hunting situation.  My rifle will place three consecutive shots at 100 yards from a clean barrel well within acceptable hunting accuracy say about three moa without wiping.   So to summarize the 40-90 bn is the fastest of the Sharps cartridges, it can deliver top long range target accuracy with proper fouling control,  and a fella is well armed for hunting with just his rifle and three cartridges in his pocket.
   When hunting with the 40-90 bn I do carry a few extra rounds and a take down cleaning rod with patches in my day pack because sometimes I have more than one tag to fill.
  
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Re: Bottleneck cases and Black Powder
Reply #6 - yesterday at 1:12pm
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Bottle neck cases like the .44-77 BN that have such a small bottle neck really aren't a problem. The more dramatic the bottle neck is the more work it takes to get a good load figured out.
  

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Reply #7 - yesterday at 1:34pm
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marlinguy wrote yesterday at 1:12pm:
Bottle neck cases like the .44-77 BN that have such a small bottle neck really aren't a problem. The more dramatic the bottle neck is the more work it takes to get a good load figured out.


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Reply #8 - yesterday at 7:41pm
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I only have experience with two bottleneck cases I shot BP in.  One is an 1870's German double in 11.15 X 60R or 43 Mauser.  The other was a friends Martini-Henry in 577/450.  I wasn't trying for extreme accuracy with either cartridge.  The first because it is a double, and my favorite double as it was really an ornery child.  The second because it was a Martini-Henry and all Jim wanted it to do was hit a pie plate at 100 yards.  It did a lot better than that, 4 inches and it kicked the snot out of you in the process.  My friend sold it shortly thereafter.

The double in what most call 43 Mauser has a long neck.  Individually each barrel was pretty accurate for a 150 year old rifle with slightly pitted barrels.  They would group around an inch at 50 yards.  I know, not target rifle accuracy but once I got both barrels printing together it was more than accurate enough for a hunting rifle.

The Martini was a Martini with Henry rifling that preferred paper patched bullets.  Had I been willing to patch the bullets it might have shot very good.

Regarding target grade accuracy and necked cases and BP I'm sorry I can't offer an honest opinion.  However, given my experience with those two rifles and what I've learned in the 30 years since I believe I could make one shoot quite well.  Just might have to jump through a few more hoops to get there.
  
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