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Reply #15 - Aug 15th, 2026 at 4:20pm
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So those dies could possibly lead you to the best rifle you have even owned, if only you try !
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 16th, 2026 at 10:31am
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I have a 44-77 I have played around with a little bit and from what I have seen, it seems to shoot just fine right from the get go. I have plans to add 2 more BN cases to the heard. a 40-50 bn and a 44-60 SBN. I have watched a friend shoot his 40-50  and see nothing at all wrong with its accuracy. 
From my point of view the only issue or problem I see with BN cases is  a lack of flexibility in load volume. In Straight cases you can lower the powder charge with no problems, just seat deeper to an extent. BN cases are not quite that flexible. Its pretty much full charge or nothing.  Good fouling control is important, but its easily managed in a match  and in a hunting situation you are probably good for 3 shots. By that time it should either be dead or gone. 
One drawback that does really irritate me a lot is what they charge for dies.  The process for making a 3 die set is pretty much the same no matter what the caliber. You buy the reamers and make the dies. Yea I can see a little extra for odd calibers but a 3 die set for 40-65 is $185 and a 3 die set for and a 40-50 bn die set is $265. Step up to the 44-60 and you are up to $305. These are all prices from Buffalo Arms and all CH dies. 
In the past there was a wide variety of BN cases. They had to work to an extent back then. No real reason they will not work today, with in reason.  It just may take a little more work to get they to where you want them to be. 
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Reply #17 - Aug 16th, 2026 at 1:32pm
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I will say again that for me at least the work toward an accurate load is the fun part.  I have a number of good rifles that I have worked up good loads for but they see little use once that has been achieved.    The guns I shoot the most are the ones that best loads have not yet been discovered for.  Once there they seem less interesting and languish.   I like having them and knowing they will shoot when called upon but for me the fun is in the hunt even more so if it is said it cant be done.
  
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Re: Bottleneck cases and Black Powder
Reply #18 - Today at 12:49pm
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Amen to that..!
I hope I out live the projects I thought about doing at one point or another..

I have a good friend that is a collector of old rifles and shotguns. 
His collection would make most firearm museum curators jealous.

Every once in a while he will send me a rifle & ask me to work up a load that shoots.

After doing some research, have a mould made and work up a load I send it all back with my notes and the best targets. 

Lately though the risk of shipping a rifle has become so dicey, I am loath to do it anymore. Last Place I want to be is inside the circle of blame for a missing heirloom.

Bob 
bullshop wrote on Aug 16th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I will say again that for me at least the work toward an accurate load is the fun part.  I have a number of good rifles that I have worked up good loads for but they see little use once that has been achieved.    The guns I shoot the most are the ones that best loads have not yet been discovered for.  Once there they seem less interesting and languish.   I like having them and knowing they will shoot when called upon but for me the fun is in the hunt even more so if it is said it cant be done.

  
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Reply #19 - Today at 2:10pm
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bullshop wrote on Aug 16th, 2026 at 1:32pm:
I will say again that for me at least the work toward an accurate load is the fun part.  I have a number of good rifles that I have worked up good loads for but they see little use once that has been achieved.    The guns I shoot the most are the ones that best loads have not yet been discovered for.  Once there they seem less interesting and languish.   I like having them and knowing they will shoot when called upon but for me the fun is in the hunt even more so if it is said it cant be done.


I have to agree.  After I'd run through over a couple dozen old and obsolete and, modern for the time, American rifle cartridges I was getting pretty bored.  Then I discovered the plethora of old, obsolete and out of production British, German and European cartridges I'd never heard of, smokeless and black powder.  For a couple decades I pursued them with an insatiable appetite.  As I figured out how to make the cases, calculate the length, thus weight of bullet required and come up with a powder charge and bullet combination that shot well they got put on the back shelf and the search began for another.  As you said, I enjoy having them and knowing how to make them shoot but, as B.B. King said, "The Thrill is Gone".
  
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Re: Bottleneck cases and Black Powder
Reply #20 - Today at 2:48pm
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I'm the opposite. 
The rifles I shoot the most are those that are the most accurate, and make me look like a better shooter. Nothing is more fun for me that to get a gun and cartridge that consistently shoots small groups at whatever distance I shoot with it. Those guns almost always go to the range with me, even when I'm testing and working up loads for other new rifles.
  

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