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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18116 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Pope barrel liners? Jul 9^th, 2026 at 1:23pm	Print Post
	Had a fellow tell me he'd seen numerous guns with Pope liners installed in them. I was shocked since I've never heard of Pope doing any liners? So my question is how many of us have ever seen a single shot rifle with a Pope liner in it?
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830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 488 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #1 - Jul 9^th, 2026 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	Val, I've never heard of that but I do know that there was a barrel maker in the 1940's named Gregorie from New Haven CT that made high quality cut rifled left hand twist barrels, very similar to Pope. A local gunsmith in New Braunfels by the name of George Klaus, built hundreds of guns over the years for the local Vereins. His work is distinctive if you have seen a number of them. Most of the rifles I know of were built in the 1940's thru the 1960's built with Gregorie or Sukalle heavy 22lr barrels. These rifles are still prized possessions in the club today. I've seen his work on Ballard, high and low wall's, 44, 44 1/2 and Winchester 52's up to the B model. The point being that I wouldn't be surprised if these Gregorie barrels could have been used as liners to restore a damaged Pope barrel. I suspect that Pope would have marked his barrel in some way if he took a 2nd bite of the apple. I own a false muzzle low wall, pistol grip single set trigger 28-30 that when it was 1st offered to me was claimed to be a "unmarked Pope". I don't buy that story, but it's still a cool gun. That's a long way around Harvey's barn to say if Pope didn't mark it, I wouldn't have much conviction in the story.

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2293 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #2 - Jul 9^th, 2026 at 6:01pm	Print Post
	Over the past hundred years or more, there have been lots of damaged Pope barrels, I know of one personally that was ringed by a friend, and I’ve heard about several ringed Pope barrels that were either setback or lined. Arthur Hubalek lined lots of 22 barrels including Pope barrels.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18116 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #3 - Jul 9^th, 2026 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Supposedly this fella said he'd seen numerous various single shot rifles with barrels marked by HM Pope and had Pope liners in them. In 50 years of collecting single shot rifles I've never seen this myself, and suspecting he's making this up to cover a statement he made about Pope relining "lots of barrels". According to Ray Smith Pope had a sign in his shop stating he didn't do repairs unless it was an emergency. I'm not sure how he could ever make liners that met his strict standards as once a barrel was rifled it would change dimensions if turned down to become a liner.

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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 864 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #4 - Jul 9^th, 2026 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	How, besides the style of the rifling itself, would you know it was Pope's work?

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18116 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #5 - Jul 9^th, 2026 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	Smoke wrote on Jul 9^th, 2026 at 6:42pm: How, besides the style of the rifling itself, would you know it was Pope's work? All of my Pope barrels have Pope's numbers stamped under the forearm, and his HM Pope stamp on top flat. Exception is that Rolling Block target pistol I bought from Eric, and it has Pope's HM Pope stamp under the forearm too. Numbers are his serial numbered barrels, plus the twist rate data he stamped on them. If he ever made a liner I'd think he would have also installed it, and not sure how he'd mark them?

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Win1906 Participating Member Offline Posts: 34 Location: altona,ny Joined: Mar 28^th, 2026	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #6 - Jul 9^th, 2026 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	I would say b.s.i ve read or was told he would go up a size on damaged bores.i myself own one of his barrels that was originally 28-30 but was rifled by him into a 32-40.just wondering when did liners start becoming popular.im thinking after ww2 or 1950's.most barrels were replaced or bored to a bigger size not relined.


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1967 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #7 - Jul 9^th, 2026 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	did pope offset the bore for CF to 22 conversions like Hubleck? I believe I know where a pope CF offset to 22 short done by Hubleck Is I think is.


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terry buffum Full Member Offline Posts: 159 Location: Bend, Oregon Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #8 - Jul 10^th, 2026 at 7:57am	Print Post
	Yes, some of Pope's .22 barrels are offset.

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gnoahhh Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1076 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #9 - Jul 10^th, 2026 at 8:21am	Print Post
	terry buffum wrote on Jul 10^th, 2026 at 7:57am: Yes, some of Pope's .22 barrels are offset. His work with Krag .22 rifles comes to mind.


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TomKlinger Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 275 Location: Central Florida Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #10 - Jul 10^th, 2026 at 9:33am	Print Post
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18116 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #11 - Jul 10^th, 2026 at 11:45am	Print Post
	Seems the issue cleared itself up this morning. The guy who made the statement on Rimfire Central did some major reversal of his original claim about Pope doing lots of lined barrels he'd personally seen. Now he's apologizing for his original statement being "vague or misconstrued". He went on to say he's only seen one on a Stevens he owned. and actually hadn't seen any others he first claimed. So mystery solved.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1331 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #12 - Jul 10^th, 2026 at 1:18pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jul 10^th, 2026 at 11:45am: Seems the issue cleared itself up this morning. The guy who made the statement on Rimfire Central did some major reversal of his original claim about Pope doing lots of lined barrels he'd personally seen. Now he's apologizing for his original statement being "vague or misconstrued". He went on to say he's only seen one on a Stevens he owned. and actually hadn't seen any others he first claimed. So mystery solved. It was probably converted from 25 RF.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12399 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #13 - Jul 10^th, 2026 at 1:37pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Jul 10^th, 2026 at 11:45am: Seems the issue cleared itself up this morning. The guy who made the statement on Rimfire Central did some major reversal of his original claim about Pope doing lots of lined barrels he'd personally seen. Now he's apologizing for his original statement being "vague or misconstrued". He went on to say he's only seen one on a Stevens he owned. and actually hadn't seen any others he first claimed. So mystery solved. So the mystery has been reduced down to one?

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1310 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Pope barrel liners? Reply #14 - Jul 10^th, 2026 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	So . . . was that lined barrel a "Pope" barrel that was relined or, perhaps it was a barrel that Pope marked because the lined it? How the barrel is marked may tell the story. If it were a Pope barrel lined by him, it would likely have two sets of markings _ the original rifling plus the liner. Once upon a time I had a Stevens 52, 44 1/2 that Pope had rifled. Original stamps were neatly overstamped (.32 cal) and re-stamped when it was re-rifled by him with the .33 cal data. It had a false muzzle (numbered to the barrel) but no other accoutrements.

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