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Pope barrel liners?
Yesterday at 1:23pm
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Had a fellow tell me he'd seen numerous guns with Pope liners installed in them. I was shocked since the only lined barrels I've seen or heard of by Pope were some S&W pistols he did in the 1930's.
So my question is how many of us have ever seen a single shot rifle with a Pope liner in it?
  

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Re: Pope barrel liners?
Reply #1 - yesterday at 3:30pm
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Val,
I've never heard of that but I do know that there was a barrel maker in the 1940's named Gregorie from New Haven CT that made high quality cut rifled left hand twist barrels, very similar to Pope.  A local gunsmith in New Braunfels by the name of George Klaus, built hundreds of guns over the years for the local Vereins.  His work is distinctive if you have seen a number of them.  Most of the rifles I know of were built in the 1940's thru the 1960's built with Gregorie or Sukalle heavy 22lr barrels.  These rifles are still prized possessions in the club today.  I've seen his work on Ballard, high and low wall's, 44, 44 1/2 and Winchester 52's up to the B model.
The point being that I wouldn't be surprised if these Gregorie barrels could have been used as liners to restore a damaged Pope barrel.   
I suspect that Pope would have marked his barrel in some way if he took a 2nd bite of the apple.
I own a false muzzle low wall, pistol grip single set trigger 28-30 that when it was 1st offered to me was claimed to be a "unmarked Pope".  I don't buy that story, but it's still a cool gun.
That's a long way around Harvey's barn to say if Pope didn't mark it, I wouldn't have much conviction in the story.
  

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Re: Pope barrel liners?
Reply #2 - yesterday at 6:01pm
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Over the past hundred years or more, there have been lots of damaged Pope barrels, I know of one personally that was ringed by a friend, and I’ve heard about several ringed Pope barrels that were either setback or lined. Arthur Hubalek lined lots of 22 barrels including Pope barrels.
  
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Reply #3 - yesterday at 6:17pm
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Supposedly this fella said he'd seen numerous various single shot rifles with barrels marked by HM Pope and had Pope liners in them. In 50 years of collecting single shot rifles I've never seen this myself, and suspecting he's making this up to cover a statement he made about Pope relining "lots of barrels". 
According to Ray Smith Pope had a sign in his shop stating he didn't do repairs unless it was an emergency. I'm not sure how he could ever make liners that met his strict standards as once a barrel was rifled it would change dimensions if turned down to become a liner.
  

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Reply #4 - yesterday at 6:42pm
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How, besides the style of the rifling itself, would you know it was Pope's work?
  

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Re: Pope barrel liners?
Reply #5 - yesterday at 8:17pm
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Smoke wrote yesterday at 6:42pm:
How, besides the style of the rifling itself, would you know it was Pope's work?


All of my Pope barrels have Pope's numbers stamped under the forearm, and his HM Pope stamp on top flat. Exception is that Rolling Block target pistol I bought from Eric, and it has Pope's HM Pope stamp under the forearm too. 
Numbers are his serial numbered barrels, plus the twist rate data he stamped on them. If he ever made a liner I'd think he would have also installed it, and not sure how he'd mark them?
  

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Reply #6 - yesterday at 8:29pm
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I would say b.s.i ve read or was told he would go up a size on damaged bores.i myself own one of his barrels that was originally 28-30 but was rifled by him into a 32-40.just wondering when did liners start becoming popular.im thinking after ww2 or 1950's.most barrels were replaced or bored to a bigger size not relined.
  
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Reply #7 - yesterday at 9:14pm
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did pope offset the bore for CF to 22 conversions like Hubleck? I believe I know where a pope CF  offset  to 22 short done by Hubleck Is I think is.
  
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