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Jul 8th, 2026 at 7:11pm
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What is the best way to blue metal?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 7:50pm
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Wow! do you realize how deep and vague that question is?
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 7:58pm
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If you are looking for QUICK and EASY then try OXPHO-blue

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Reply #3 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 8:00pm
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The best bluing for the home gunsmith is the slow rust bluing process.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 8:51pm
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Thanks to the two members who gave answers to a difficult question. I was at a loss for what to include in the question. To the other one boo.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 10:08pm
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Well, might as well make it a 3 way split decision.

The best blue is a caustic hot blue, over a meticulous hand prep, no buffing.  

So, you now have the same choices you had before you asked the question.

1) Cold blue
2) Home craftsman slow rust blue
3) Professional hot caustic blue.

All 3 have their place.  The real question to ask is "what would you recommend, in my circumstances?"  After you described what you are trying to blue, what you want it to look like when done, and what your skills and resources are.  Then, we could put together a meaningful recommendation.


I'll make a stab at the 3 options, presuming you're wanting to blue a rifle.  

Cold blue it if you just want it to be vaguely gun finish like, and want to do it the easiest and cheapest way possible.  Follow that up with a linseed oil finish and some wax and it will last for awhile with some careful care.  Expect to invest about $15 in the process.  Oxpho blue is generally recommended as the best, but I'm not sold on that, a lot of that is loyalty to the old Brownells and their good instructions that they included with the solution.

Slow rust blue it at home yourself if you have the skills to clean up the metal finish yourself and take it to a perfect 400 grit finish.  Know that you will have to make a steam pipe to convert the rust to blue, and will have to commit 2 to 3 days to the process, an hour at a time, 3 to 4 times a day.  Expect to invest about $50 to $150 in the process, depending on how much of the steam apparatus you have and/or scavenge.  If you're meticulous, you can easily equal the best professional work after 2 or 3 projects.  You're first one will come out okay, if you don't hesitate to refinish and start over if it gets botched up.

Send it out to a professional to either rust blue or caustic hot blue it if you don't have the skills, space and patience to do a slow rust blue yourself.

If you just want it to be durable and blued, send it to a buff and blue place and let them do their magic for $200 or less.  Or add another $100 to $150 for a decent hand polish.

If you want it to be a show piece and highly durable, send it to someone who will meticulously hand polish it and take the time to rust blue it well, with about 8 to 12 passes.  Expect $250 to $600, depending on complexity.

  
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Reply #6 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 10:45pm
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Here's some of the processes I've used, some require more $$ and effort.  I've settled on the Easy button as mentioned.   Occasionally I had a student that wanted to try some of old ways and used some of the recipes from R.H. Angier book, more often than not, lots of effort and mediocre results...

Damp cabinet, a bowl of nitric in the bottom, card and steam frequently, lots of work, lots of time.   

The EASY button... Mark Lee's brown or bluing solution.  A dozen of my students have used this on their builds, I've done several of my own with it, it really does do a quality job with a lot less hassle.  Follow the instructions to the letter, no short cuts or getting lazy, or thinking you have a better idea, that's where most issues arise.  If you have issues with it, go back and confirm your process, 90% of the time you've missed the mark -pun intended.
   
Simple household equipment -  A boiler - I use a porcelain canning pot on a propane burner like the one used for the TG turkey.  A piece of 3" PVC pipe with a cap, a box of the vintage Spic and Span (I prefer the stuff with TSP - I see Mark is recommending Simple Green now), always use distilled water, clean and dry your steel wool or Scotchbrite with acetone before you start. Some new clean cotton gloves (cleaned with the TSP solution and rinsed), and wire, also cleaned before using...   
 
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Small piece work, Brownells Nitre blue, again you'll need some equipment.  It looks to be out of stock at Brownells.

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If you want a very durable modern looking finish, Brownells oxynate no.7 hot caustic salts ( there are some hazard risks).  You'll spend $$ on tanks and gear, you'll need a dedicated place to do it.   

For blacking stainless, Brownells Oxynate no. 84. Similar equipment as the no.7  it's a hazardous material also but it works.


Been down all of these slopes, as mentioned for touch up - oxpho-blue.  Don't try to do an entire rifle with this, it'll frustrate oneself.

I've used Pilkingtons rust blue, it's not a favorite as a damp cabinet gives the best results.  There's quite a bit of effort that goes into it, but it will make barrels on doubles match the color of an action so in some places, it's required.
 
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Reply #7 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 10:48pm
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Dave,
Looks like we were both responding, good info too.
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Reply #8 - Jul 8th, 2026 at 11:12pm
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Herters' blue - Have had good luck with this quick rust blue (not especially quick, usually takes 3 to 6 passes to get a good job).  Any results depend on metal prep such as pitting removal, degreasing, etc.  Minimal equipment needed. Just a trough to boil water in. wyoold
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 9th, 2026 at 12:21am
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Machine or Carbonia bluing.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 9th, 2026 at 10:26am
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I've actually had very good results with Oxpho Blue and been using it on certain projects for over 30 years. It's rarely as durable or as dark as rust bluing, but occasionally it comes out just as nice as rust bluing. And some barrels I've done 20 years ago still look great. I do as Dave mentioned and after neutralizing the finished metal I polish with oil and 4/0 steel wool, then wax the finish.
I did this Hepburn barrel about 10 years ago:
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And this Trapdoor a few years back:
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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2026 at 11:36am
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I've used Brownell's dircropan IM with good results.  It's a hot water blue similar to using the Herters blue as mentioned above. It's a fast rust blue by boiling and applying the product and carding with steel wool multiple times. Relatively durable, maybe not as durable as hot salt bluing, but almost.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 15th, 2026 at 1:32pm
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When I was a kid like 16-17 yrs I worked at a very large International Trap & Skeet range in El Monte, CA. I evolved into Frank Pachmayr's flunky carrying shot guns, ammo and cigars for him in addition to my job. After a while I swept floors and did small jobs at his LA shop a real eye opener.

So about bluing he had an Englishman who ran the bluing shop, just him. I recall walking in there once after hours and it was unbelievably nasty. Every pipe, window frame, bench legs, vices you name was encrusted in rust and other weird looking deposits. There was one wall with nothing but big black rubber elbow length gloves and rubber suits. I couldn't handle that room

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Reply #13 - Jul 17th, 2026 at 3:15pm
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I discovered rust blueing, when as a chemistry major, I experimented with a variety of rust producing formulas and managed to  rust nearly all of my father's tools, with one of the formulas. At that time, I also discovered the magic of boiling rusted parts in water to produce the blue / black favored by most gun collectors.
I don't think that it maters how you produce the rust as long as you don't rust the metal to the point of pitting.
I had switched to the Mark Lee rapid rust process (4 hours) after comparing it to a slow rust process (Pilkington's) (5 days) and couldn't tell the difference in the results.
Attached are some photos of  a barrel that I blued yesterday. The only change in the recommended process is that initially I do two coats before carding. I usually stop one coat  after the metal no longer rusts. In this barrel it took six coats and I was done before lunch.
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Reply #14 - Jul 17th, 2026 at 4:56pm
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Reply #15 - Jul 17th, 2026 at 6:40pm
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There are 2 commonly used but different methods of Rust Bluing.
Slow Rust bluing,,also called Cold Rust bluing
The other is-
Quick Rust bluing, also called Hot Rust bluing and Express Rust Bluing.

They use different chemical formulas to get the part to rust.
The Slow Rust method relies on the air temp and humidity to 'slowly' rust the part(s).
You can control that with the DampCabinet mentioned already.
But letting the natural air and humidity do the job works well as long as the temp is 75 or more and the humidity 85% and more.

When rusted to satisfaction (and it doesn't take a heavy crusty layer of rust, just a very fine reddish/brown coating), remove them and boil or steam as some do now. Then card, let them cool to room temp and reapply the soln sparingly but completely. Back into the DampCabinet for another cycle.
4 or 5 cycles will generally give you a nice blue. You can continue with cycles of rusting and boiling of course.

Quick Rust/Hot Rust/ express Rust bluing,,,
Warm clean parts to around 200*F and apply a coating of that soln to them. They will immediately turn a blue/brown. Place them right into the boiling water (or steam them). 15min and out of the water. Clear any water from the surfaces, card the part while still hot.

Rewarm the parts again if they have cooled down too much, and they usually will.
For warming the parts I use a small propane torch. Some use a heat gun.
The orig process used the water in the tank as it was boiling and never shut down during the start-to-finish operation. They  would place the carded parts back into the boiling water to heat them again.
Taking one at a time out quickly, clear any water on it , then apply another coating of solution to the parts.
Then right back into the boiling water to turn the brownish colored coating to blue/black.
15min in the water and out again, clear any water & card them.
Repeat over & over till the color suits you

It helps to have the rusting soln warm as well. I used to place the small amt I would be using for the job in a glass container and hang it over the side of the tank so it heated along with the water.

I use Laurel Mtn bbl brown for Slow Rust
Mark Lee's Express Blue for Quick/Express rust blue .

That's kind of a quick explanation of the process. 
Lots of techniques to tweak the process an get passed things like streaks in the finish, parts that won't 'take', etc.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 18th, 2026 at 6:37am
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GT wrote on Jul 8th, 2026 at 10:45pm:
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The EASY button... Mark Lee's brown or bluing solution.  A dozen of my students have used this on their builds, I've done several of my own with it, it really does do a quality job with a lot less hassle.  Follow the instructions to the letter, no short cuts or getting lazy, or thinking you have a better idea, that's where most issues arise.  If you have issues with it, go back and confirm your process, 90% of the time you've missed the mark -pun intended.
  
Simple household equipment -  A boiler - I use a porcelain canning pot on a propane burner like the one used for the TG turkey.  A piece of 3" PVC pipe with a cap, a box of the vintage Spic and Span (I prefer the stuff with TSP - I see Mark is recommending Simple Green now), always use distilled water, clean and dry your steel wool or Scotchbrite with acetone before you start. Some new clean cotton gloves (cleaned with the TSP solution and rinsed), and wire, also cleaned before using...  
 
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100% agree with GT
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 18th, 2026 at 7:23am
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I was fortunate enough to take Mark's bluing class at Pine City Technical College about 40 years ago. Along with his great bluing products, his biggest secret was to blast the parts with 240 grit aluminum oxide dust at about 35 PSI. This made sure the metal was clean and allowed the chemicals to have a good bite on the metal. Before you card the parts, make sure they are totally dry especially around screw holes and dovetails or you will streak the metal. 
If you've ever had a chance to see his half scale Mauser rifle that's on his web page, you'll marvel at such a work of art produced by that group of guys.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 19th, 2026 at 9:41am
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I did a barrel this week with Lee's SLOW RUST #3, took about 8 hrs total. 3 trips to the damp box and 3 boils. Very satisfied with the net results. Not the most fun to do in my shop when its 98f outside.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 19th, 2026 at 2:14pm
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Chemically, the red rust formed in both slow rust bluing and Mark Lee Express bluing is exactly the same compound (ferric oxide), or basic red iron rust. 
However, while the chemical composition of the red rust is identical, the physical characteristic's of the rust are completely different. 
Slow rust produces a very tight, highly dense, and flat layer of micro-velvet red rust, while the Mark Lee product tends to produce a coarser red rust.
The question becomes whether the differences in the physical character of the rust creates a difference in the final product? 
In my experience, I can I see no difference in the final product. 
I’d be interested in the experiences of other forum members who have used both bluing methods.
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Reply #20 - Jul 19th, 2026 at 2:31pm
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When I took his class, he was pushing the slow rust blue more for fine old double barrels at that time. It does seem to give them a little bit different color of a more grayish blue than the blue black. I would really like to know what method Remington used on their Model 37 rifle and 31 shotguns and other guns as they have a very nice steel gray blue finish to them with a slight mat. Same with Winchester barrels before they started hot bluing in the late 30's. They were using that method on their Model 12 traps up until the tail end of the 50's and they all had that nice steel gray blue look rather than the high black finish that you get today with his express blue. Was it the bluing formula, the way the rust was carded off, or the steel used back then?
  
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Reply #21 - Jul 19th, 2026 at 4:30pm
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What happened to Laurel Mountain Forge barrel brown and degreaser? That product was great!
I heard that the owners wife passed and he shut down the business, but that was second hand information.


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Reply #22 - Jul 19th, 2026 at 10:12pm
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TomKlinger wrote on Jul 19th, 2026 at 4:30pm:
What happened to Laurel Mountain Forge barrel brown and degreaser? That product was great!
I heard that the owners wife passed and he shut down the business, but that was second hand information.


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That's what I've seen stated.
Lots of talk about the situation on the 'AmericanLongrifle' forum.
The products are no longer available including the wood stains which I liked to use.

I have a big bottle of the rust browning/rust bluing soln so I'm set there
  
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